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Will the old girl limp on?

Discussion in 'Car Repairs / Maintenance' started by noseall, 20 Jan 2008.

  1. Stivino

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    It's possible but the big companies like Fram, Coopers, Champion etc all guarantee that their filters are up to the original equipment spec.
     
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    so in the same factory, they could turn out high and low spec parts?
     
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    They could but that wouldn't be economical.
     
  5. noseall

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    this is the bit that i'm not getting.

    are you grease monkeys saying that all spare parts are EXACTLY the same irrespective of whether they have the honda badge or not.

    or are you saying that the factory that makes genuine honda parts also makes bootleg ones too? :confused:

    and are the bootleg parts EXACTLY the same as the honda ones but sold at a lesser price? :confused:

    i find this whole thing economically illogical. why be encouraged to buy genuine parts in the first place?

    in fact, why buy a honda at all? i bet if i cobbled together a car, made with non genuine, but similar parts, it would be just as good as the latest Accord. especially if i got one of their factories to assemble it for me.

    so what do you monkeys say?
     
  6. Stivino

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    Firstly the use of the words bootleg and grease monkey are inappropriate.
    Bootleg implies illegal copying and, grease monkey is a derogatory term.

    or are you saying that the factory that makes genuine honda parts also makes bootleg (after market) ones too?
    Yes to that.

    and are the bootleg (aftermarket) parts EXACTLY the same as the honda ones but sold at a lesser price? icon_confused.gif
    Yes to that too.

    i bet if i cobbled together a car, made with non genuine, but similar parts, it would be just as good as the latest Accord. especially if i got one of their factories to assemble it for me.
    I doubt it.
     
  7. noseall

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    so here begs the questions, (and if you are not a grease monkey Stivino then i apologise):

    A. are genuine and non genuine parts exactly the same, i.e. specification and quality? if yes, do you have any references to substantiate this?

    B. would the car or the safety of the people in it, be any worse off by fitting non-genuine parts?
     
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    A: Depends what make parts you go for. Any decent motor factors will only supply parts they don't have any trouble with. No one likes comebacks. You get to know the good manufacturers and stay away from the others.

    B: Depends on what parts you fit. If you fit cheap chinese wheel bearings which usually last 6 months, then yes. If you go for SKF bearings, which are pretty much the best you can buy then no, and they'll still be cheaper than 'genuine' Honda
     
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    so it is all a bit of a lottery to say the least. :eek:

    how does a once-in-a-while buyer of parts "get to know"?

    no grease m..... er.. sorry...mechanic has shown me a shred of evidence that buying non-genuine parts is better than buying genuine.

    only that you say it is.

    and that it is cheaper.

    and this would be good for profits, wouldn't it.

    this thread has confirmed one thing, only by buying genuine parts can you GUARANTEE decent quality. ;)
     
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    Neo and stivino, this plonker is a troll, tell him to go and buy his genuine honda bits and F**k off
     
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    are you a typical mechanic johnwr?

    i made a reference to buying genuine parts that was scoffed at by certain posters.

    i am now trying to seek some evidence, a hint of proof, a mere smidgen of a fact that buying genuine goods is as foolish as some posters appear to think it is. or even proof that alternative goods are equal to the task.

    so far i have not had any.

    have you anything constructive to add jonwr, apart from your well thought out reply, or are you a puppet:?:
     
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    Your question has already been answered. Makers of aftermarket filters guarantee that they are as good as the original equipment.
     
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    for the love of all things sacred!

    is it me or are engine tinkerers just not getting it.

    "makers" ! i mean i don't claim to be Einstein ffs. this covers just about everybody in the automotive industry, genuine or non-genuine alike. :rolleyes:

    anyone with a definitive answer??

    along with any written proof.
     
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    I give up.
     
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    noseall, what you fail to see is that there is a difference between manufacturer and assembly. Honda "assemble" their engines. These engines are built from parts that are sourced to meet their requirements. You obviously have very little knowledge of the economical balance that these companies use. I'm guessing that you listen to everything that you are told and nod along with a glazed look in your eyes?

    Example: lets take the daewoo nexia. looks remarkably similar to the vauxhall astra yes?! This is because they have purchased the rights to have the panels pressed by the manufacturing firm that pressed them for vauxhall before the body shape change. Now this is much cheaper than having to first build a factory, purchase machinery, employ research and development, manufacture the pressing tools (if you believe that they also make their own tools then god help us!!), then run the pressing plant and deliver these to their assembly line. This way the parts are delivered to them at the specification that they require without a mass outlay.

    In answer to one of your previous questions about production of high and low spec parts produce at the same plant then yes it happens. It is down to the quality, thickness and type of metals used, the level of quality control testing done etc. It is performed as press runs and works something like Monday: Honda, Tuesday: Vauxhall, Wednesday Honda etc. (simplified version)

    If you seriously believe that Honda manufacture every single part of their vehicles then you are very sadly delusional. Do they produce their own nuts and bolts too?? or how about their own welding rods?? or the fabric for the seats??!! I could go on for hours!!! If you really want the whole thing spelling out for you then i will by all means.

    Oh and seriously, i would have thought that you, out of everyone, would understand this principle seeing as you drive a glorified Rover 200!!!! The 200 and the Concerto were both built at Longbridge on lines next to each other!!! They both have the same parts!! you could fit a Rover air filter and it would be identical!!

    Now please stfu!!!
     
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    My house is made by Wimpey. I want to decorate the lounge. Any idea where I can get genuine Wimpey wallpaper from??? :LOL:
     
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