Wiring a Decorative ceiling rose

[jaylockwood1978]

So I’ve bought a decorative polyurethane light weight ceiling rose just to add that little something to our newly decorated room.
Currently we just have a big standard plastic rose with lightbulb and light shade. We want to keep this but just add the decorative rose.

My dilemma is making the rose work with a plastic pendant. My idea was to just drill a small hole in the rose and then for that over the screw on plastic cover so only the wire is visible once the rose is up? The concern then is that the wiring is not accessible.

Any suggestions how I can overcome this or do I have to cut out a larger piece of the rose so that it fits over the hole top part of the pendant and then it can be screwed on or off and the wiring accessible? Hope that makes sense?

 

[opps]

I don't fully understand your post, but I suspect that you are talking about the spaghetti load of cables running into the existing plastic rose. It reads like you only want the flex to be visible.

That strikes me as being a really bad idea. The various cables need to be accessible.

 

[jaylockwood1978]

Sorry, probably wasn’t very clear. Yeah so was thinking it would look better with just the flex showing but like you say there would be no access to the wiring. Guessing I need to cut a bigger hole and fit it over the plastic screw on section

 

[GillObrien]

Sorry, probably wasn’t very clear. Yeah so was thinking it would look better with just the flex showing but like you say there would be no access to the wiring. Guessing I need to cut a bigger hole and fit it over the plastic screw on section

So I don't know if you have these in the UK, but in France you can get these plastic domes in all shapes, colours and sizes. Inside there is a domino thing for joining the cables that is a closed plastic box, and a cable gripper on the dome that stops the cord slipping through. The plastic cone has a ring inside that you hang on a hook in the ceiling. Photo attached.

Here Link to similar.

If you get a nice one it looks ok. Ours is not great but we have no earth so we are limited.

Gill

 

[SFK]

I typcially put the electric ceiling rose ontop of the decorative ceiling rose.
(ie Ceiling, decorative ceiling rose, electric ceiling rose)
Long screws from electric ceiling rose, through the decorative ceiling rose into the ceiling.

I do not counter sink the electric ceiling rose into the decorative ceiling rose.

For this application where there is likley to be a large lamp, I like to use these as the lamp can be wired up on the floor and then plugged into the electrical ceiling rose. There was a better heavyweight version (ciosting £45) but cannot get them anymore.
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_I...ssories_All/Lighting_Accessories_2/index.html
SFK

 

[jaylockwood1978]

thank you for all of the advice. This is the rose we have, it’s only
Lightweight polyurethane.

 

[Wayners]

Two options.

These hooks will take a wire through the hook. You attach a chained light on the hook. They wires will be behind the ceiling rose.

Solid Ceiling Rose Hook Plate Hanging Suspension Fixing Plate 3 finishes 15KG MAX LOAD

High quality strong ceiling hook plate with earth external point . 65mm total height 74mm base width 2 x 5mm screw holes, 50mm apart 10mm cable entry hole 7mm hook clearance Approx 15kgs max load

www.kingschandeliers.co.uk

Or

Cut the surface flat to take a ceiling pendent. Take your time. Long screws through light pendant to joist

 

[sparkwright]

I think you can get polystyrene roses with a large circular hole in them so you don't have to remove the plastic pendant rose.

The plastic pendant rose needs to be visible/accessible.

If you use the polystyrene rose you have already bought, fit that first, then the pendant rose.

Before fitting the polystyrene rose, ensure there is something substantial like some wood (maybe there is a joist above the ceiling) that you can fix the pendant rose to with long woodscrews. Work all this out first before you stick the polystyrene rose in place, because it's a horrible job trying to find somewhere solid to screw the long screws into if you don't know where the wood is.

 

[ericmark]

The problem I found was getting the electrical ceiling rose to slide in with the plaster rose in place, the electrical rose needs to be able to support 5 kg according to regulations, so it needs to have good screws holding it to the beams, but to fit the lamp you only have a small clearance and the plaster had to be cut away to fit the lamp which really defeats the whole idea of the plaster decoration rose.

I really wish the previous owners had not put it there, took ages to carve away the plaster so lamp would slide in and out.

 

[jaylockwood1978]

We don’t want a heavy light fitting, it’s just a standard plastic one with a simple light shade.
Here is the rose we have bought, it’s very light weight so doesn’t need to screwed in place

 

[opps]

We don’t want a heavy light fitting, it’s just a standard plastic one with a simple light shade.
Here is the rose we have bought, it’s very light weight so doesn’t need to screwed in place

When it comes down to it, it is your home. Who is going to stop you?

I don't think it is a advisable though.

How will you secure the cable in the cavity above the plastic rose? You need something to prevent it being accidentally pulled down when someone is, for example, changing bulbs.

 

[jaylockwood1978]

Sorry think you’ve misunderstood? The pendant with the wiring that holds the bulb will obviously be screwed to the ceiling, as it is currently. The decorative rose doesn’t require screwing as it is polyurethane

 

[opps]

Sorry think you’ve misunderstood? The pendant with the wiring that holds the bulb will obviously be screwed to the ceiling, as it is currently. The decorative rose doesn’t require screwing as it is polyurethane

Okay...

A plastic pendant has strain relief lugs for the flex that runs down to the light fitting.

Forgive me, but how are you going to bury the base of the plastic rose under your PU fitting?

EDIT, so are you going to grind away the reverse side of the PU rose to accommodate the base of the plastic fitting?

 

[ericmark]

as it is polyurethane

Oh is that allowed again now? I know at one time we had plastic ceiling tiles idea was to insulate, however I though these were banned now as with a fire the plastic could drip on people escaping from the fire. I would have thought polyurethane would have come under the same ban?

I did a google and got

Is it illegal to have polystyrene ceiling tiles?


"Polystyrene ceiling tiles and coving are not illegal and you can still go to stockists and DIY stores to buy them. Modern products contain a fire retardant additive and are not so high a risk. 24 Jan 2022

I have hunted and found Regulation concerning dangerous substances: ARSTYL® polyurethane products are to be classified neither under ”very toxic” nor under ”toxic”, according to the regulations concerning dangerous substances. so seems no problem.

 

[jaylockwood1978]

As to whether to cut a hole in the decorative rose, that was the entire point of my post, to ask advice because I wasn’t sure what to do. Gone full circle I think