Yale Premium Alarm Hsa6400 Wirefree Alarm Kit

People who actually set their alarm at night are in a minority because everyone thinks if they are at home they won't get burgled . Let's also not forget the amount of burglaries that happen when people are actually at home but the alarm is not set because people are moving about between rooms . These times alone represent a far greater threat than possible inteference
I'd just love to take you out with me every day for a couple of weeks just so I could show you the 'logs' on all the control panels.

I'd even let you pick the domestic premises that we would visit.

The rubbish spouted above would be shot to pieces in the first day.
 
I haven't heard anyone ask for 100% reliability.

But you are reluctant to say if you think the chance of an interfering signal blocking a sensor at the same fraction of a second that a burglar forces an entry into your house is likely to be, say, in the order of one in a hundred thousand, or one in ten million. You have repeatedly said you think the chance is significant, so you obviously have an idea of what you mean.

How many times do you need to be told that the main risk is from other sources of radio signals. Even Yale themselves recognise this and have a jamming detection system and even they say that if this causes too many "false" alarms it can be turned off.

I wonder if you would walk across a busy motorway in the secure knowledge that you would not be knocked down by a pink and yellow polka dot Rolls Royce driven by a film star. I wonder because that is the same as your approach to the evaluation of hazards to the reliability of wireless linked alarm systems to protect property. In case you still do not understand, the chance of an interfering signal from another one way wireless linked alarm system at the critical moment is about the same as that of the arrival of a pink and yellow polka dot Rolls Royce as you cross the motorway. So with that knowledge as the prime factor is it safe to walk across the motorway ?.

to mdf and/or yaleguy , perhaps you can add a bit of factual knowledge that does not appear in the Yale manuals.

Yale say the jamming detection reacts to "30 seconds of continuous interefence. " Does that have to be 30 seconds without any drop out or can there be short drop outs that are "debounced" out and ignored.

They refer to it as "interference" does this mean that some signals may be not be considered as "interference" and therefore will not, even if longer than 30 seconds, activate the jamming detection function.
 
Bernard, I am shocked by your failure to understand probabilities. I can now see that it is your lack of comprehension that makes you evade the question about an interfering signal blocking a sensor at the very moment that a burglar forces entry into your house.

Yes, the probability of that happening is rather like the chance of being knocked down by a pink and yellow polka dot Rolls Royce driven by a film star.

You are reluctant to say how likely that is, but it is not at all likely. The chance can be reduced still further by taking the sensible precaution of looking before starting to cross.

As you know, in the overwhelming number of households there is no interfering signal at all, so that is equivalent to crossing a road when there is no traffic on it.

In a few rare cases there might sometimes be a signal. This will overwhelmingly occur when your own system is not signalling. That is equivalent to a car driving along the road when you are not crossing it.

We have a member on this site who says he has actually tried to create an interfering signal which blocks a sensor using common devices such as you mentioned earlier, and has never managed it.

You foolishly and dishonestly started out by suggesting that a wireless system would stop working if a neighbour bought one. Now you have produced some improbable tale, which might possibly be true, about some highly unlikely combination of circumstances that might perhaps have happened once in one place.

In my old mum's house, as I said, the Entry sensor faultlessly starts the Entry coundown a thousand times a year, and the Chime multiple thousands of times a year. There are the usual car imobilisers and wireless doorbells nearby.

You have imagined a theoretical possibility, and are trying to scare people by darkly avoiding mentioning that the probability of an interfering signal blocking a sensor at the very moment a burglar forcers entry into your house, is disappearingly small.
 
People who actually set their alarm at night are in a minority because everyone thinks if they are at home they won't get burgled . Let's also not forget the amount of burglaries that happen when people are actually at home but the alarm is not set because people are moving about between rooms . These times alone represent a far greater threat than possible inteference
I'd just love to take you out with me every day for a couple of weeks just so I could show you the 'logs' on all the control panels.

I'd even let you pick the domestic premises that we would visit.

The rubbish spouted above would be shot to pieces in the first day.

So your logs will show that people have their alarms set when they are in the home after waking up but before bedtime when all the sneak in burglaries occur do they?
So every client you have has perimiter protection allowing movement within the home?

You know I can even do that but people will not pay for the 20 sensors required.

People get up - unset the alarm and then do not set it again until they either go out or go to bed , IF you are lucky as lots of people do not even set the alarm at bedtime. Obviously something I discourage as much as possible.
 
Just to clarify and tidy up this post so everyone knows where we all stand.

Theoretically or statistically or just using common sense the chance of a wireless alarm failing due to inteference or convergent synchronised signals is far smaller than the chance of an ANY alarm WIRED OR WIRELESS failing due to..

Incorrect installation
Inadequate upkeep and servicing
Failure to set the alarm
Poor risk assesment and system design
sensor or control panel failure

and the chance can be mitigated even further by the users

Being able to recognise the danger
Taking the appropriate action.








:roll:
 
Do you know if it is true that the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary, is that the householder forgot to set it?
I've just shown this quote to my eleven year old grandson and asked his opinion.

Even he understood the the nonsense written.
 
so he wasn't able to choose one of the available answers

- No, I don't know
- Yes, it's true
- No, it isn't true

Perhaps the poor little chap got it from you :cry:
 
Still in the Yaleguy mind set eh?

If the alarm is not set it is nothing more than a box on the wall. It doesn't even have ornamental value.

You don't even know your own business.

Trust me, i think i know both my business and the industry a lot better than you do.

Remember, your annual turn over is about average for one of our jobs.
 
Still in the Yaleguy mind set eh?

If the alarm is not set it is nothing more than a box on the wall. It doesn't even have ornamental value.

You don't even know your own business.

Trust me, i think i know both my business and the industry a lot better than you do.

Remember, your annual turn over is about average for one of our jobs.

So when did you last speak directly to a homeowner about their alarm setting routine or habits?

How many people do you think truthfully answer your questions when the answer they give could have an impact on their insurance cover?
 
Do you know if it is true that the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary, is that the householder forgot to set it?
I've just shown this quote to my eleven year old grandson and asked his opinion.

Even he understood the the nonsense written.

Ok Europlex.

Nows your chance to let us all know what the real answer is...

If the most common reason an alarm does not activate when a home is burgled is not because it was not set then what is it?

It's certainly NOT wireless inteference and you say it's not user error so that leaves us with what?

Poorly fitted systems , badly designed systems or component failure?

Come on YOU have the statistics from your own company so tell us all the biggest reason your companies alarms fail to activate when a burglary takes place.
I assume if it's not the owners it must be down to some installation error or equipment failure so I am all ears to hear your enlightened response.

I am shocked to hear that an alarm professional has knowledge of other issues causing alarm failures not related to user incompetence.
 
Trust me, i think i know both my business and the industry a lot better than you do.

Remember, your annual turn over is about average for one of our jobs.

So when did you last speak directly to a homeowner about their alarm setting routine or habits?

How many people do you think truthfully answer your questions when the answer they give could have an impact on their insurance cover?
Oh, still trying to infer everyone's wrong apart from you.?

As it happens, everytime we fit one and everytime we service one - standard practice see.

Difference between us is we don't depend on the bottom end of the market where cheap is the key driver - we leave that market to the likes of you and the other DIYers.
We don't like what we see or hear, we don't fit. Simples
 
If the most common reason an alarm does not activate when a home is burgled is not because it was not set then what is it?

That is a false argument, as you well know.
Not set, then it is a box on the wall - doing it's job as designed.
Trying to infer human error, forgetfulness and plain stupidity is nothing to do with the alarm hardware.
A different argument!
 
and yet, it does happen. Sometimes people forget, or don't bother, to set their alarm.

If they then have the misfortune to be burgled, obviously the alarm then won't sound.

It is rumoured that this is the most common reason why an alarm doesn't sound in a burglary. Nobody (except you) has suggested that this is related to the hardware.

Is that an issue you want to avoid?
 
and yet, it does happen. Sometimes people forget, or don't bother, to set their alarm.

If they then have the misfortune to be burgled, obviously the alarm then won't sound.

It is rumoured that this is the most common reason why an alarm doesn't sound in a burglary. Nobody (except you) has suggested that this is related to the hardware.

Is that an issue you want to avoid?
Best you pay more attention to the dribbling of Yaleguy3. The man who likes to think (and also tried to tell the rest of the industry) he knows more about the subject than anyone.
 
oh dear when they have to admit their systems failure or user error they just dodge the question and wail into their hands 8)
 

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