Yale Premium Alarm Hsa6400 Wirefree Alarm Kit

oh dear when they have to admit their systems failure or user error they just dodge the question and wail into their hands 8)
Yet another ridiculous statement from Yaleguy3 the DIYer, the one who only fits Grade 1 toot.
And the one who conveniently forgets all our systems are independently inspected and performances monitored.

Stick to cheap jobs fella.
 
For some reason Alumni does not want to comment on users who forget to set their alarms :?

We have already established that

- The Yale is cheap to buy and easy to install
- The probability of an interfering signal, at the very moment than a burglar breaks in to your home, is very small
- the householder can buy a better and more expensive system if he wants to and can afford it.
 
oh dear when they have to admit their systems failure or user error they just dodge the question and wail into their hands 8)

User error applies equally to all systems. Keep the discussion to alarms than have been set and the reason why they may fail to activate when there is a break in or another event that requires the alarm to operate.

No one has yet answered the question "Why do Yale consider it necessary to fit jamming detection" ? Nor has anyone answered the question "What percentage of channel occupancy during any 30 minute period is considered enough "interference" to require a "jamming detected" alarm to given ?

John. If you know that only yellow and pink polka dot Roll Royces are a hard to you life then you can wander around roads and motorways without any fear of being hurt. You will of course be hit and injured or killed by one of the many cars that are not yellow and pink polka dot Roll Royces. However as you discount these as being a danger to you then you will feel totally safe until you are hit. In case you cannot make the connection the yellow and pink polka dot Roll Royces are the activation signals from other alarm systems.
 
We have already established that
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- The probability of an interfering signal, at the very moment than a burglar breaks in to your home, is very small

No John,
the opposite has been established by many experienced and un-biased radio technicians based on channel occupancy measurements carried out prior to deciding on [1] which channel to use and [2] the communication protocols needed to ensure an acceptable level of reliability.

If the channel is occupied 50 % of the time by signals above the threshold of the receiver then the
The probability of an interfering signal, at the very moment than a burglar breaks in to your home,
is 50 50.
 
Bernard, I'm really pleased that you don't deny that

We have already established that
- The Yale is cheap to buy and easy to install
- the householder can buy a better and more expensive system if he wants to and can afford it.

But your other point is just flannel:

if..if..if..if..
The probability of an interfering signal, at the very moment than a burglar breaks in to your home,
is 50 50.

And if not, then it isn't.

You are really, really, really anxious to avoid the actual question, aren't you?

For example in my mum's house, where the front door triggrs the entry countdown a thousand times a year, and the chime several thousand times a year, the actual measured occurrence over five years of an interfering signal occurring at the exact moment a sensor is triggered is (zero in more than ten thousand)

The probability of an interfering signal occurring at the exact moment a burglar breaks in, is extremely low, and almost zero, as you know but don't want to say.
 
p.s

I use the words "an interfering signal" and not "a pink and yellow polka dot Rolls Royce"

The "zero in ten thousand" I mention includes all the interfering signals (from any source) that have not blocked the sensor.
 
For some reason Alumni does not want to comment on users who forget to set their alarms :?
No, the not setting scenario was introduced by that self appointed expert on nothing, slowalarms.
He only fits one brand of kit, and that's cheap, Grade 1 toot. He publicly stated he aspires to fit Grade 2 and above. Thing is, nothing stopping him other than it takes him out of his comfort zone, cheap customers.

And the usual problem with cheap customers is the alarm is not a critical system to them. So with that comes the problem of not setting.

So, as for not setting. It isn't a hardware problem. Nothing to discuss.
 
Do you know anybody who said that it was a hardware problem, or is that just an idea you invented?

It is certainly an interesting point if it is true that "failure to set" is the main reason for alarms not going off in a burglary.

But I see you don't want to talk about it.
 
If it isn't set, it isn't an alarm so not relevant.

Nothing more to discuss really is there. Ask your mate Slowalarms why he brought it up?
 
And yet, a person who has an alarm in his house, and forgets to set it, will of course find that it doesn't sound in a burglary.

Do you know if this is the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary? An interesting point if it is.

I notice nobody has denied it.
 
And yet, a person who has an alarm in his house, and forgets to set it, will of course find that it doesn't sound in a burglary.

Do you know if this is the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary? An interesting point if it is.

I notice nobody has denied it.
So using your logic, do you know that the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary, is, wait for it, there isn't one fitted!

Now that IS true.
 
And yet, a person who has an alarm in his house, and forgets to set it, will of course find that it doesn't sound in a burglary.

Do you know if this is the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary? An interesting point if it is.

I notice nobody has denied it.
how can a box on a wall fail to sound if it isn't programmed to do so.?
Its doing its job.

The behaviour of the occupants is nothing to do with the alarm or the installer.
 
And yet, a person who has an alarm in his house, and forgets to set it, will of course find that it doesn't sound in a burglary.

Do you know if this is the most common reason for an alarm failing to sound in a burglary? An interesting point if it is.

I notice nobody has denied it.
how can a box on a wall fail to sound if it isn't programmed to do so.?
Its doing its job.

The behaviour of the occupants is nothing to do with the alarm or the installer.

You are missing the point of the thread or at least the part introduced by Bernard.

His assertion was that Wirefree alarms are inherently insecure. He is so sure of this fact that he wishes that everyone who considers buying one is made aware of that fact.

The inference being that if you have a wirefree alarm , when you get burgled the alarm is not guaranteed to go off and is therefore a security risk.

My experience does not back this up either through anecdotal reports from wirefree alarm users or via a mass of publicly available evidence.

The only evidence so far presented to us all by Bernard proves the actual fact that inteference can indeed cause an alarm to detect inteference and then activate itself as a warning.

The fact the people in his report were burgled was not down to the alarm itself which acted as designed but down to the actions they consequently took which ignored addressing the problem or the cause of the inteference or indeed deciding to change to a wired system.

My counter argument is that inteference in my experience and in the lack of other supporting evidence, represents only a very very small hypothetical risk.

My assertion then was that users are in more danger of their alarm failing to operate when they are burgled because they forgot to set it or did not make it clear who was responsible for setting it (family scenario) than any possible security risk posed by inteference.

That is a perfectly valid argument.
It fits in logically when trying to establish the scale of the threat from inteference. It makes perfect sense to compare it to any other reason that an alarm may not work when expected.

It is strange that you somehow seem to think its not worthy of consideration.

You know yourself because the housing market slow that the biggest generator of domestic security installations at present is the fact that someone has been burgled and their existing system was not working or they did not set it (sometimes because they do not know the code or how it works as it was in the house when they bought it).

You cannot take those examples out of the equasion when making a determination on risk.
 

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