Which consumer unit to buy?

[ban-all-sheds]

Why cant a sparks QUOTE an Hourly rate?

Would you be prepared to enter into an open-ended commitment to pay, no matter how many hours it took?

 

[Gees]

BAS - you have assumed in your example that the materials are the same - they are not

In my example they were, because I was addressing Gee's irrational objection to what he considers an excessive markup.

If I had asked each trademan to specify the parts they were supplying, I would just be back on these forums asking which parts are best for the job, and presumeably there would be some smart a**e saying "For God's sake".

"Smart a**e"? Or people who would quite justifiably think you were being unreasonable to expect them to second-guess a qualified professional who had actually seen the job, and actually spoken to you about what you wanted, and who might justifiably wonder why you were considering employing an electrician whose professional expertise you doubted?

Irrationable markup ?? 50? 100? 150? 200%

 

[dizz]

BAS - i don't doubt him at all - i just said I would get the consumer unit to everyone when i got the original quotes, and for the reasons i have outlined.

But there are different suppliers of these units.

And as I say, asking to quote with parts means i introduce another unknown into the equation.

 

[Gees]

Why cant a sparks QUOTE an Hourly rate?

Would you be prepared to enter into an open-ended commitment to pay, no matter how many hours it took?

YES provided the contractor could justify his time ( I am not an idiot )
I have in the past come across all sorts of scam artists.. I am sorry if i seem bitter, because i AM !

RED TO RED BLACK TO BLACK AND GREEN TO THE PIPES ( LOL )

 

[dizz]

GEES - yes but watch out - you might find the odd brown thrown in there too - where the hell would you connect that to?

 

[dizz]

Cheers for the constructive replies - i am off.

 

[dizz]

oops - i did ask

"Also, he will be doing the "Landlord Electrical Test" - is this and the "Periodic Inspection Report" one and the same thing?"

in my original post - anyone know?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Irrationable markup ?? 50? 100? 150? 200%

Or 2000%?

It doesn't matter.

What matters is the number in the bottom right-hand corner - that is the only fact, everything else is an accountancy point of view.

If someone told you he could legally get you a brand new Bentley Continental GT for £100,000, being made up of £10,000 for the car and £90,000 for delivery from Crewe, would you object to his irrational delivery charge?

 

[1john]

oops - i did ask

"Also, he will be doing the "Landlord Electrical Test" - is this and the "Periodic Inspection Report" one and the same thing?"

in my original post - anyone know?

After the installation is complete you should be issued with an Electrical installation certificate.

Have you had a periodic inspection report doe already to ensure the original installation is servicable??

 

[Gees]

Irrationable markup ?? 50? 100? 150? 200%

Or 2000%?

It doesn't matter.

What matters is the number in the bottom right-hand corner - that is the only fact, everything else is an accountancy point of view.

If someone told you he could legally get you a brand new Bentley Continental GT for £100,000, being made up of £10,000 for the car and £90,000 for delivery from Crewe, would you object to his irrational delivery charge?

Of course it matters... hardware is a fixed price.. no matter who pays for it. Labour SHOULD be charged per hour, with accountability.. If not we are in the realms of the "cowboy " culture.

 

[ricicle]

ricicle, the ratio of flameports and electricsuk "thank" to "total posts" compared to yours says it all fella. Now go be a smart a**e somewhere else.

The 'Thanks' feature is only a recent additon. I do not post on here as much as I used to.
But back to the topic - don't you think it would be better for the sake of a few pounds to let the Electrician have the 'headache' of sorting out the correct parts for the job - something he is experienced at doing and to save you the worry of getting it right. Also if anything is incorrect it will be your time and effort to get it replaced. Also if anything is faulty you will have to pay him to take it out and refit new.
If he supplies any faulty goods will have to be replaced by him at his expense !

 

[dizz]

< After the installation is complete you should be issued with an Electrical installation certificate.

Have you had a periodic inspection report doe already to ensure the original installation is servicable?? >

John - that is what I am asking - is the Periodic Test generally referred to as the Landlord Certificate

Ricicle - ah ok

 

[Gees]

ricicle, the ratio of flameports and electricsuk "thank" to "total posts" compared to yours says it all fella. Now go be a smart a**e somewhere else.

The 'Thanks' feature is only a recent additon. I do not post on here as much as I used to.
But back to the topic - don't you think it would be better for the sake of a few pounds to let the Electrician have the 'headache' of sorting out the correct parts for the job - something he is experienced at doing and to save you the worry of getting it right. Also if anything is incorrect it will be your time and effort to get it replaced. Also if anything is faulty you will have to pay him to take it out and refit new.
If he supplies any faulty goods will have to be replaced by him at his expense !

What can go wrong with 100m of twin and earth?
They still try and mark up by up to 150%

 

[1john]

< After the installation is complete you should be issued with an Electrical installation certificate.

Have you had a periodic inspection report doe already to ensure the original installation is servicable?? >

John - that is what I am asking - is the Periodic Test generally referred to as the Landlord Certificate

Ricicle - ah ok

A periodic inspection report is as the title suggests, they should be done on all installations. it can be refered to as a landlord certificate but is is infact NOT a certificate, it is a report. On the installation of a consumer unit you MUST have a Electrical installation certificate and the work notified to the local authority building control.

you should have a periodic inspection report done before the consumer unit change because the new installation may not work if there are faults to earth.

you can get an insulated consumer unit and the three rcbo's required from toolstation for about £75 btw.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Of course it matters... hardware is a fixed price.. no matter who pays for it.

Do you ever buy anything in shops?

If so, I have some bad news for you - they mark their goods up.

Labour SHOULD be charged per hour, with accountability.. If not we are in the realms of the "cowboy " culture.

No, what we are in is the realms of a free labour market, where the providers of goods and services are able to set their prices and the consumers of their goods and services are able to decide whether they want to consume at those prices.

If you want to end up paying more in order to prevent what you think are unreasonable charges for materials, or because you will only deal with people who charge you an hourly rate (and believe me, you will pay more), then you are free to do that.

But don't try and make out that your position is based on reason - it's not.