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lifesagasman
when conversing with Nuke, follow these simple steps
Head, Wall, Bang.
Head, Wall, Bang.
some more factual tv for Newgas
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lifesagasman
[quote="Lincsbodger";p="1601983]
jeeez, how come i got saddled with the god looney...............[/quote]
You asked for it
PS, have you discovered the ignore button theory? Nukes are disarmed and peace reigns
jeeez, how come i got saddled with the god looney...............[/quote]
You asked for it
PS, have you discovered the ignore button theory? Nukes are disarmed and peace reigns
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Lincsbodger
I think you'll find iron was formed before earth and forms a great deal of the earth's core.
Was the CREATOR lying??
no,no no, all wrong.
it goes like this:
1. Big bang
2. inflation reheats universe
3. quarks synthesise
4. protons , neutrons and electrons form.
5, after 15 minutes, temperature of universe drops too low for nucleosynthisis. Universe is 75% hydrogen and 25% helium, No other elemnts apart from traces of Lithium, and isotopes of hydrgen (Deuterium and Trituim) exist. Epoch of Last Scattering at 3000 years old, matter become stable.
6. Stars form out of superhot hydrogen clouds. Nuclear fusion begins. In large stars, after hydrogen burning commences, its followed by burning (and therefore synthesising) of Helium, Lithium, Beryllium, Boron, Carbon, Fluorine, Oxygen, Silicon, Neon, Magnesium, and finally Iron. Star then explodes into red dwarf, creating elements 13 - 92 in explosion, and scattering them all over the universe.
7. Planets form, with remnants of exploded stars, including iron.
Iron does NOT form in the earths core. Elements are only created by neucloesynthesis in stars, explosions of star cores, and radioactive decay.
And thats where the iron came from.
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lifesagasman
Thanks, Lincs. I got my iron from Argos...
Yes, very good, you've read lots of books. But where did you read that I said it did form in the earths core?
I said it was created before the earth, which it was, since the earth was formed from a dust cloud containing iron, amongst all of the other elements we see.
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Lincsbodger
Ah you didnt,
it was an uncredited quote in a reply of yours, ive checked back it wasWell, guess what the 'CREATOR' was wrong, iron was formed in the first 1 million years of the Universe as the first of the largest Population 1 Blue giants went supernova
So, the score at half time is
CREATOR 0 Sensible People 1.
Very clever, but if you ask your geologists and scientists you idiot who thinks he is clever because of a few books they will tell you IRON came after the CREATION of EARTH and if I'm correct the impact created the moon.
Just because I believe in GOD you think that automatically maks me a loon, you are an educated ignoramus, the worst of all creatures,
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Unless you see the truth and beg forgivness
Just because I believe in GOD you think that automatically maks me a loon, you are an educated ignoramus, the worst of all creatures,
.Unless you see the truth and beg forgivness
Wrong newgas, all of your scientists will tell you that iron, and all of the other elements heavier than hydrogen and helium was all formed inside stars as they run out of hydrogen in their cores and start to burn helium etc. etc.
The earth formed from a dust cloud that was seeded with heavier elements by a star in this region of space going through its death process.
This was the same dust cloud which formed the sun and the other planets.
So, according to all accepted science iron was created before the earth, does this mean the creator was a liar???
Can't agree with this, some scientists think the first stars formed 30 million years after the big bang, and that's only based on computer models. A lot of astrophysicists think they came later.
The Glorious Qur'an contains a distinct Surah (Chapter) entitled "Al - Hadeed" (= The Iron) which emphasizes in one of its verses (Verse#25) the following two facts:
(Here goes, deep breath )
That iron was sent down to Earth i.e. it is of a celestial (extra-terrestrial) origin, and
That iron is strong and has many benefits for mankind. This Qur'anic verse reads: "…and We (Allah) sent down iron wherein there is mighty strength and many benefits for mankind….
We now know that iron is the most abundant elementinthetotalcompositionoftheEarth(>35% of its total mass) and the fourth abundant element in its crust (5.6%). This observation has led to the logical conclusion that the majority of the Earth's iron must be hidden below its crust (i.e. within both its cores and mantles). If this is the case, how could this element be sent down to Earth as stated in the above-mentioned Qur'anic verse? And how could it have penetrated from the outer crust of the Earth to its inner zones of mantle and core?
Good question.
To answer these questions, the Earth must be treated as part of the total cosmos from which it was separated, not merely as an isolated entity. In this context, recent cosmological discoveries have proved that:
Hydrogen (the simplest and the lightest know element) is by far the most abundant element in the observed universe.
This predominant, universal hydrogen is followed in abundance by helium (the second in the periodic table of elements), which is less abundant than hydrogen, by a factor of ten.
These two, simple nuclei of hydrogen and helium constitute the greatest percentage of the observed universe, while heavier elements are only represented by traces that do not exceed 1-2% of its total mass, and are locally concentrated in certain heavenly bodies.
These fundamental discoveries have led to the important conclusion that hydrogen nuclei are the basic building blocks from which all the other elements were and are currently being created by the process of nuclear fusion. This process (the nucleosynthesis of elements by nuclear fusion) is self-sustaining, highly exothermic (i.e. releases excessively large quantities of energy) and is the source of the very hot and glowing nature of all stars.
Nuclear fusion within our sun mainly produces helium, with a very limited number of slightly heavier elements. The percentage of iron in the sun is estimated to be in the order of 0.0037%. Knowing that the Earth as well as all other planets and satellites in our solar system were actually separated from the sun, which does not generate iron, another question was raised:
Where had the immense quantity of iron in our Earth come from?
One second after the "Big Bang", the temperature of the early universe is calculated to have been in the range of ten billion degrees Celsius.
Our sun is a modest star, with a surface temperature of 6,000°C, and an inner core temperature of about 15,000,000°C. Such figures are far below the calculated temperatures for the production of iron by the process of nuclear fusion (which exceeds 5 X 109 K). Consequently, other sources much hotter than the sun were sought for as possible sites fort the generation of iron in the observed universe. One of the suggested sources of excessive heat was the "Big Bang" explosion of the initial singularity from which our universe was created (cf. Bott, 1982). However all speculations about this event suggest that shortly after the "Big Bang", matter was in such and elementary stage that only hydrogen and helium (with possible traces of lithium) could have been generated. Again, if any traces of iron were produced at that stage, iron would have been more evenly distributed in the observed universe, which is not the case.
One second after the "Big Bang", the temperature of the early universe is calculated to have been in the range of ten billion degrees Celsius. At this stage, the early universe is visualized to have been in the form of a steadily expanding, huge cloud of smoke, mainly composed of elementary forms of both matter and energy such as neutrons, protons, electrons, positrons (anti - electrons), photons and neutrinos. Radiations in the form of photons from this very hot early stage of the universe had been predicted by Gamow and others (1948) to be still in existence around the observed universe, coming from all directions with equal intensity. This prediction was later proved to be true by both Penzias & Wilson (1965) through their discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation coming from all directions in the observed universe with equal intensity, together with a remnant temperature reduced to only a few degrees above the absolute zero (- 273°C).
The Life Cycle of the Stars
During the first three minutes of the history of our universe the neutrons are believed to have either decayed into protons and electrons, or combined with other neutrons to produce deuterium (or heavy hydrogen), which could combine to form helium. In its turn, helium nuclei could partly fuse to produce traces of lithium (the third element in the periodic table), but nothing heavier than this element is believed to have been generated as a result of the "Big Bang" explosion (cf. Weinberg, 1988; Hawking, 1990; etc.). Consequently, all of the universal hydrogen and most of the helium are believed to have been created immediately after the "Big Bang", while the rest of the universal helium is believed to have been steadily generated from the burning of hydrogen in the interiors of "Main-Sequence Stars" like our sun.
After the "Big Bang" explosion, gravitation is believed to have pulled together clouds of smoke to form giant clusters of matter. Continued contraction of these clusters eventually increased their temperature due to the interaction of colliding particles and the pressures created by the large gravitational attraction. As the temperature approached 15 million degrees Celsius, the electrons in the formed atoms were ripped off to create a plasma state. Continued contraction proceeded until the particles in the plasma moved with such high velocities that they began to fuse hydrogen into helium, producing stars with enough energy to generate an outward push (pressure) that reached equilibrium with the inward pull of gravity.
Supernovas result from exhaustion of the nova’s fuel supplies.
Most recently, elements heavier than lithium have been proved to be currently synthesized by the process of nuclear fusion in the cores of massive stars (at least ten times the mass of our sun) during their late stage of development. Such massive stars are seen burning helium to carbon, oxygen, silicon, sulfur, and finally into iron. When elements of the iron group are produced, the process of nuclear fusion cannot proceed any further. Elements heavier than iron (and its group of elements) are believed to have been created in the outer envelopes of super-giant stars or during the explosion of novae in the form of supernovae.
Consequently, it has been proved that stars are cosmic ovens in which most of the known elements are created from hydrogen and/or helium by the process of nuclear fusion. At the same time, the unbelievable energy of stars comes from this process of intra-stellar nucleosynthesis of elements, which involves the combining of light elements into heavier ones by nuclear fusion (nuclear burning). This process requires a high-speed collision, which can only be achieved at very high temperatures. The minimum temperature required for the fusion of hydrogen into helium is calculated to be in the range of 5,000,000°C. With the increase in the atomic weight of the element produced by nuclear fusion, this temperature increases steadily to several billions of degrees. For example, the nuclear fusion of hydrogen into carbon requires a temperature of about one billion degrees Celsius.
Burning (fusing) hydrogen into helium occurs during most of the star's lifetime. After the hydrogen in the star's core is exhausted (i.e. fused to helium), the star either changes into a Red Giant then into a dwarf or changes into a Red Super-giant then into a nova where it starts to burn helium, fusing it into progressively heavier elements (depending on its initial mass) until the iron group is reached. Up to this point, the process of nucleosynthesis of elements is highly exothermic (i.e. releases excessive quantities of energy), but the formation of the iron group elements and of elements heavier than this group is highly endothermic (i.e. requires the input of excessive quantities of energy). The explosions of Novae in the form of Supernovae result from the exhaustion of the fuel supplies in the cores of such massive stars and the burning of all elements there into the iron group. Heavier nuclei are thought to be formed during the explosions of the Supernovae.
The nucleosynthesis of the iron group of elements in the inner cores of massive stars such as the Novae is the final stage of the process of nuclear fusion. Once this stage is reached, the nova explodes in the form of a supernova, shattering its iron core to pieces that fly into the universal space, providing other celestial bodies with their needed iron. With this analysis, the celestial (extra-terrestrial) origin of iron in both our Earth and the rest of the solar system is confirmed (cf. Weinberg, 1988; Hawking, 1990; etc.).
I hope it's not too much for your 'very educated mind' Bodge. apt name.
God cannot lose to you Infidels
(Here goes, deep breath
)That iron was sent down to Earth i.e. it is of a celestial (extra-terrestrial) origin, and
That iron is strong and has many benefits for mankind. This Qur'anic verse reads: "…and We (Allah) sent down iron wherein there is mighty strength and many benefits for mankind….
We now know that iron is the most abundant elementinthetotalcompositionoftheEarth(>35% of its total mass) and the fourth abundant element in its crust (5.6%). This observation has led to the logical conclusion that the majority of the Earth's iron must be hidden below its crust (i.e. within both its cores and mantles). If this is the case, how could this element be sent down to Earth as stated in the above-mentioned Qur'anic verse? And how could it have penetrated from the outer crust of the Earth to its inner zones of mantle and core?
Good question.
To answer these questions, the Earth must be treated as part of the total cosmos from which it was separated, not merely as an isolated entity. In this context, recent cosmological discoveries have proved that:
Hydrogen (the simplest and the lightest know element) is by far the most abundant element in the observed universe.
This predominant, universal hydrogen is followed in abundance by helium (the second in the periodic table of elements), which is less abundant than hydrogen, by a factor of ten.
These two, simple nuclei of hydrogen and helium constitute the greatest percentage of the observed universe, while heavier elements are only represented by traces that do not exceed 1-2% of its total mass, and are locally concentrated in certain heavenly bodies.
These fundamental discoveries have led to the important conclusion that hydrogen nuclei are the basic building blocks from which all the other elements were and are currently being created by the process of nuclear fusion. This process (the nucleosynthesis of elements by nuclear fusion) is self-sustaining, highly exothermic (i.e. releases excessively large quantities of energy) and is the source of the very hot and glowing nature of all stars.
Nuclear fusion within our sun mainly produces helium, with a very limited number of slightly heavier elements. The percentage of iron in the sun is estimated to be in the order of 0.0037%. Knowing that the Earth as well as all other planets and satellites in our solar system were actually separated from the sun, which does not generate iron, another question was raised:
Where had the immense quantity of iron in our Earth come from?
One second after the "Big Bang", the temperature of the early universe is calculated to have been in the range of ten billion degrees Celsius.
Our sun is a modest star, with a surface temperature of 6,000°C, and an inner core temperature of about 15,000,000°C. Such figures are far below the calculated temperatures for the production of iron by the process of nuclear fusion (which exceeds 5 X 109 K). Consequently, other sources much hotter than the sun were sought for as possible sites fort the generation of iron in the observed universe. One of the suggested sources of excessive heat was the "Big Bang" explosion of the initial singularity from which our universe was created (cf. Bott, 1982). However all speculations about this event suggest that shortly after the "Big Bang", matter was in such and elementary stage that only hydrogen and helium (with possible traces of lithium) could have been generated. Again, if any traces of iron were produced at that stage, iron would have been more evenly distributed in the observed universe, which is not the case.
One second after the "Big Bang", the temperature of the early universe is calculated to have been in the range of ten billion degrees Celsius. At this stage, the early universe is visualized to have been in the form of a steadily expanding, huge cloud of smoke, mainly composed of elementary forms of both matter and energy such as neutrons, protons, electrons, positrons (anti - electrons), photons and neutrinos. Radiations in the form of photons from this very hot early stage of the universe had been predicted by Gamow and others (1948) to be still in existence around the observed universe, coming from all directions with equal intensity. This prediction was later proved to be true by both Penzias & Wilson (1965) through their discovery of the cosmic microwave background radiation coming from all directions in the observed universe with equal intensity, together with a remnant temperature reduced to only a few degrees above the absolute zero (- 273°C).
The Life Cycle of the Stars
During the first three minutes of the history of our universe the neutrons are believed to have either decayed into protons and electrons, or combined with other neutrons to produce deuterium (or heavy hydrogen), which could combine to form helium. In its turn, helium nuclei could partly fuse to produce traces of lithium (the third element in the periodic table), but nothing heavier than this element is believed to have been generated as a result of the "Big Bang" explosion (cf. Weinberg, 1988; Hawking, 1990; etc.). Consequently, all of the universal hydrogen and most of the helium are believed to have been created immediately after the "Big Bang", while the rest of the universal helium is believed to have been steadily generated from the burning of hydrogen in the interiors of "Main-Sequence Stars" like our sun.
After the "Big Bang" explosion, gravitation is believed to have pulled together clouds of smoke to form giant clusters of matter. Continued contraction of these clusters eventually increased their temperature due to the interaction of colliding particles and the pressures created by the large gravitational attraction. As the temperature approached 15 million degrees Celsius, the electrons in the formed atoms were ripped off to create a plasma state. Continued contraction proceeded until the particles in the plasma moved with such high velocities that they began to fuse hydrogen into helium, producing stars with enough energy to generate an outward push (pressure) that reached equilibrium with the inward pull of gravity.
Supernovas result from exhaustion of the nova’s fuel supplies.
Most recently, elements heavier than lithium have been proved to be currently synthesized by the process of nuclear fusion in the cores of massive stars (at least ten times the mass of our sun) during their late stage of development. Such massive stars are seen burning helium to carbon, oxygen, silicon, sulfur, and finally into iron. When elements of the iron group are produced, the process of nuclear fusion cannot proceed any further. Elements heavier than iron (and its group of elements) are believed to have been created in the outer envelopes of super-giant stars or during the explosion of novae in the form of supernovae.
Consequently, it has been proved that stars are cosmic ovens in which most of the known elements are created from hydrogen and/or helium by the process of nuclear fusion. At the same time, the unbelievable energy of stars comes from this process of intra-stellar nucleosynthesis of elements, which involves the combining of light elements into heavier ones by nuclear fusion (nuclear burning). This process requires a high-speed collision, which can only be achieved at very high temperatures. The minimum temperature required for the fusion of hydrogen into helium is calculated to be in the range of 5,000,000°C. With the increase in the atomic weight of the element produced by nuclear fusion, this temperature increases steadily to several billions of degrees. For example, the nuclear fusion of hydrogen into carbon requires a temperature of about one billion degrees Celsius.
Burning (fusing) hydrogen into helium occurs during most of the star's lifetime. After the hydrogen in the star's core is exhausted (i.e. fused to helium), the star either changes into a Red Giant then into a dwarf or changes into a Red Super-giant then into a nova where it starts to burn helium, fusing it into progressively heavier elements (depending on its initial mass) until the iron group is reached. Up to this point, the process of nucleosynthesis of elements is highly exothermic (i.e. releases excessive quantities of energy), but the formation of the iron group elements and of elements heavier than this group is highly endothermic (i.e. requires the input of excessive quantities of energy). The explosions of Novae in the form of Supernovae result from the exhaustion of the fuel supplies in the cores of such massive stars and the burning of all elements there into the iron group. Heavier nuclei are thought to be formed during the explosions of the Supernovae.
The nucleosynthesis of the iron group of elements in the inner cores of massive stars such as the Novae is the final stage of the process of nuclear fusion. Once this stage is reached, the nova explodes in the form of a supernova, shattering its iron core to pieces that fly into the universal space, providing other celestial bodies with their needed iron. With this analysis, the celestial (extra-terrestrial) origin of iron in both our Earth and the rest of the solar system is confirmed (cf. Weinberg, 1988; Hawking, 1990; etc.).
I hope it's not too much for your 'very educated mind' Bodge. apt name.
God cannot lose to you Infidels
FFS, don't anyone ask him where copper comes from....or gold.
Yeh,, you would just love to know that would'nt you??FFS, don't anyone ask him where copper comes from....or gold.
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Lincsbodger
The Glorious Qur'an contains a distinct Surah (Chapter) entitled "Al - Hadeed" (= The Iron) which emphasizes in one of its verses (Verse#25) the following two facts:
(Here goes, deep breath
That iron was sent down to Earth i.e. it is of a celestial (extra-terrestrial) origin, and
That iron is strong and has many benefits for mankind. This Qur'anic verse reads: "…and We (Allah) sent down iron wherein there is mighty strength and many benefits for mankind….
We now know that iron is the most abundant elementinthetotalcompositionoftheEarth(>35% of its total mass) and the fourth abundant element in its crust (5.6%). This observation has led to the logical conclusion that the majority of the Earth's iron must be hidden below its crust (i.e. within both its cores and mantles). If this is the case, how could this element be sent down to Earth as stated in the above-mentioned Qur'anic verse? And how could it have penetrated from the outer crust of the Earth to its inner zones of mantle and core?
Good question.
Simples. Stars explode, make clouds, condense into matter, lumps of rocky matter make up planetoids, planetoids heat up, cores melt, gravity pulls iron to core. Basic physics...........
as i said previously
wrong, the ratio of hydrogen to helium is 75% H, 25% He
Heres a noddy guide for you
http://www.universeadventure.org/big_bang/elemen-composition.htm
The last paragraph is full of errors.
1. the earth was not 'separated from the sun', the sun and the planets all formed out the same gas cloud at the same time.
2. Stars make iron as a process of nucleosynthesis,Iron burning takes place for one week in 1 1 solar mass star, and is the final stage before going nova
3. Considering iron production in the core is the final stage of nucleosynthesis, and iron cannot be recycled back into stars, and all other elements created in stellar cores can be, and considering the universe is 13 billion years old, and therefore countless stars have lived died and added unusable iron to the total mass of the universe, its not surprising that iron is extremely abundant in interstellar gas clouds, stars and planets. The iron in the earths core comes from the same place all the other iron comes from.
disagree. At one second it was more likely to have been higher. It was down to one billion onyl after about ten minutes.
Well done. you pasted back to me everything i posted about first. What was the poitn of that ? I told ytou about the origins of iron in stars, yesterday.
since i already told you all you just copypasted, and whats more, i didnt do it by merely copypasting a massive block of text ive never read, like you just did. You just made yourself look a dickhead.....I hope it's not too much for your 'very educated mind' Bodge. apt name.
Did you actually read any of it? did you never realise you just repeated everything i posted yesterday?
God cannot lose to you Infidels
your an idiot, and a patronising one at that. Did you have any actual arguments, or is repeating back what other people post 24 hours previously your idea of debate ?
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Lincsbodger
FFS, don't anyone ask him where copper comes from....or gold.
hes an idiot, you need to put a warnign up about him when people join the forum.
he copypasted from the net a block of text that repeats everything i posted yesterday, except i posted my own words. I bet he never even read it. Especially since he just posted a scientific explanation for the origin of elements that proves its not the work of god.
What a cretin, he just disproved his own beliefs.............
