Vegan babies

[peaps]

The key issue is the correct intake of nutrients. A correctly mixed diet across the various food groups is usually the best way to achieve this.
To favour one type of food against another would require careful monitoring/control of the childs diet to ensure the corrrect balance was being struck.

And as the question was asked.
No, i don't like the idea of purely vegan children. Smacks of control.

Control? I would think every diet has an element of control and a meat diet is also forced on a child, that's also control is it not?

 

[peaps]

A tabloid isn't going to print anything that will upset the farmers.
So definitely not "conclusive" imo.

As your entitled to have.
I doubt the Vegan societies website is not one sided either, but in my case I did not say it was inconclusive.

All the websites that give a broader view say it is beneficial for both to be included in a diet.
As it is in mine and the majority.

So by all means doubt it, would be boring otherwise.
You enjoy your diet, I will certainly enjoy mine.

But remember we are answering the question posed.

Study data wasn't the vegan societies....

 

[Norcon]

Sorry forgot link.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...h-news/is-meat-good-or-bad-for-us-425192.html

There are some cons in there also, it is not a one way street. I do accept there is a place for veggies and the such. Unlike some with a single channel mind.
But shows conclusively meat is essential for a GOOD balanced diet.

Nearly 40% of uk meat is imported. This will include beef pumped full of hormones which the eu have deemed unhealthy and tried unsuccessfully to outlaw.
Do you have manboobs by any chance?

 

[alumni]

The key issue is the correct intake of nutrients. A correctly mixed diet across the various food groups is usually the best way to achieve this.
To favour one type of food against another would require careful monitoring/control of the childs diet to ensure the corrrect balance was being struck.

And as the question was asked.
No, i don't like the idea of purely vegan children. Smacks of control.

Control? I would think every diet has an element of control and a meat diet is also forced on a child, that's also control is it not?

Not to the same extent as axcluding certain types.
With the varied diet the child has more options, even if only like/dislike.

 

[peaps]

* The three official red meats are pork, lamb and beef. Pork is the leanest, lamb the fattiest and beef the most nutritious.
* Beef has 2.7mg of iron per 100g, and 4.1mg of zinc. A large proportion of the population, particularly teenage girls and women, are deficient in both minerals.
* Pork and lamb also contain zinc and iron, but not in the same quantities.

* Red meat is high in saturated fats and "bad" cholesterol, which can lead to clogged arteries and heart disease.

* But lean beef is actually fairly healthy; it will provide you with essential vitamins and minerals, but it will not have a high fat content.

* The British Dietetic Association says that up to 90g of lean red meat a day (equivalent to a portion of bolognese) is acceptable.

* But the Food Standards Agency (FSA) points out that different cuts of meat will have very different nutritional contents.

A lean pork leg joint will contain around 5.5g of fat per 100g, of which 1.9g will be saturated fat; compare that with a grilled joint of pork belly, which has 23.4g of fat, of which 8.2g will be saturated.

* A lean rump steak, grilled, has 5.9g of fat per 100g, of which 2.5g is saturated.

But the same cut of beef, not trimmed of its fat, and fried instead of grilled has 12.7g of fat, of which 4.9g is saturated.

The fat content of mince will vary widely, so the advice is always to look at the label and go for the leanest versions.

A list of what you can get out of meat.

The benefits of red meat...

Zinc

Children and teenagers, particularly girls, have been found to be deficient in zinc - half of all girls in their teens do not have healthy levels of the mineral.

Some research has shown that having red meat less than twice a week can result in zinc deficiencies. Zinc is particularly important for healthy skin and a healthy immune system. During the winter months in particular a good supply may help prevent colds and other infections.

While other foods such as oysters, milk and lentils contain zinc, red meat is the most efficient way of getting it into your body.

Iron

Red meat is an essential source of iron - lean beef has 2.7mg of iron per 100g - and is vital to good health, as well as preventing conditions such as anaemia. Up to a quarter of menstruating women are thought to be deficient in iron. Meat contains more iron than most foods, and it is more easily utilised by the body than from vegetable sources.

Elderly people, pregnant women, children and those recovering from surgery could all benefit from increased iron intake. Iron helps to generate red blood cells, which carries oxygen from the lungs to the tissues and carbon dioxide back to the lungs. Red meat is also a good source of other vitamins and minerals such as phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and selenium.

Protein

Red meat is a major source of protein, which is needed for muscle and organ health. The protein found in meat is "complete", meaning that it contains all the amino acids that the body cannot make on its own. It is essential for the body's repair and renewal as well as general health.

Another list....

Weight loss

Australian scientists have found that people who ate a diet high in protein, based on lean red meat, as well as fruit and vegetables, lost 25 per cent more weight over a fixed period of time than those who ate a low protein, carbohydrate-rich diet that contained the same amount of calories and fat.

So it shows that red meat is needed.

It show that you can get what you need from meat, nothing more nothing less.

"Children and teenagers, particularly girls, have been found to be deficient in zinc - half of all girls in their teens do not have healthy levels of the mineral."

From your post

"Several studies have examined the nutrient intakes of vegan children. One study of British school-age children found that they had higher intakes of fibre and that intakes of all vitamins and minerals studied (with the exception of calcium) were comparable with those of meat-eating children (3). Vegan pre-schoolers in the US were found to have generous intakes of protein, vitamins, and minerals and their diets exceeded recommended intakes for all nutrients studied with the exception of calcium (4)."

I posted.

It tells me that meat eating children are not as healthy as vegan kids..
Just because you can source vits and minerals from meat it come at a cost.

We don't do processed foods with all the E numbers and other crap that's in it and we make sure we have the correct intake of vits etc

Like I have said, meat has it's digestive enzymes killed off in the cooking process and your body can't keep on producing them. When you eat alot of meat in one sitting that tired feeling is because your central nervous system is "shocked" and working over time. It's not good for you.

I will dig out some studies for you.

 

[snico]

The key issue is the correct intake of nutrients. A correctly mixed diet across the various food groups is usually the best way to achieve this.
To favour one type of food against another would require careful monitoring/control of the childs diet to ensure the corrrect balance was being struck.

And as the question was asked.
No, i don't like the idea of purely vegan children. Smacks of control.

Control? I would think every diet has an element of control and a meat diet is also forced on a child, that's also control is it not?

Thats not control, the child is being given a choice and wide range of foods to eat....your child isnt.

No B12 vitamins, essential for babies and toddlers. I would not even think of giving a child vitamin supplements. Protein deficiency is another high risk in babies and children. I would rather let my child find thir own taste and reasons, than be fed supplements and monitored for the first few years of life.

Vegans eat nuts too, something that health experts say should not be given to a child under 3, including in butter form. What about vitamin D, Vegan society recomend getting enough sunshine as no plant products contain vitamin D.

I have nothing against the diet choices of people, but forcing a child to be a vegan is wrong, and is only a choice for parents....a silly one at that.

 

[peaps]

The key issue is the correct intake of nutrients. A correctly mixed diet across the various food groups is usually the best way to achieve this.
To favour one type of food against another would require careful monitoring/control of the childs diet to ensure the corrrect balance was being struck.

And as the question was asked.
No, i don't like the idea of purely vegan children. Smacks of control.

Control? I would think every diet has an element of control and a meat diet is also forced on a child, that's also control is it not?

Not to the same extent as axcluding certain types.
With the varied diet the child has more options, even if only like/dislike.

Yes we exclude meat and dairy from the diet but introduce much more variety than most kids have in their diet. Likes dislikes? Not all families eat the same diet mix and this is what's controlling. Isn't it a question of your likes and dislikes?

Diet is a cultural phenomenon.

 

[Alarm]

Nearly 40% of uk meat is imported. This will include beef pumped full of hormones which the eu have deemed unhealthy and tried unsuccessfully to outlaw.
Do you have manboobs by any chance?

Maybe in supermarkets, if you looked at another thread I use my local butchers and know where and what it is fed on.

As to the other, no, why?
Do things for you does it?

 

[Alarm]

Diet is a cultural phenomenon.

That is true.
Some have little or no meat. Some have little veg in comparison.

 

[peaps]

Thats not control, the child is being given a choice and wide range of foods to eat....your child isnt.

Wider range? you must be joking?

No B12 vitamins, essential for babies and toddlers. I would not even think of giving a child vitamin supplements. Protein deficiency is another high risk in babies and children. I would rather let my child find thir own taste and reasons, than be fed supplements and monitored for the first few years of life.

My child doesn't have supplement other than what's in cereals etc And my child has no deficiencies. Aren't all kids monitored in their first few years?

This is what the vegan society say about B12

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/b12.aspx

You do know that many foods are fortified? Why is that?

Vegans eat nuts too, something that health experts say should not be given to a child under 3, including in butter form. What about vitamin D, Vegan society recomend getting enough sunshine as no plant products contain vitamin D.

This is what they say about vit D...

"Vegans usually obtain vitamin D from the action of sunlight on the skin or by taking fortified foods such as soya milk, margarine and vitamin supplements which are made from yeast or other fungi. Fortified vegan products contain D2 (ergocalciferol). Foods with naturally occurring vitamin D are, however, usually animal derived containing the vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol)"

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/vitamin-d.aspx

I don't feed my child peanuts or peanut butter etc

I have nothing against the diet choices of people, but forcing a child to be a vegan is wrong, and is only a choice for parents....a silly one at that.

so you say but you haven't provided anything to suggest why.

 

[Alarm]

I must have OD`ed on Vit D over the last week then

 

[peaps]

Diet is a cultural phenomenon.

That is true.
Some have little or no meat. Some have little veg in comparison.

You not going to even attempt to answer my quoted posts?

 

[joinerjohn]

Isn't it a question of your likes and dislikes?
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Back at you Peaps. But at the end of the day, you are forcing this diet upon a defenceless child. Will this child have a choice when it goes to school? Or are you home schooling the child so you can indoctrinate it into your way of thinking?

 

[peaps]

Isn't it a question of your likes and dislikes?
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Back at you Peaps. But at the end of the day, you are forcing this diet upon a defenceless child. Will this child have a choice when it goes to school? Or are you home schooling the child so you can indoctrinate it into your way of thinking?

Maybe if you read through you will see that question was answered. Yes we all force our diets on our children. I like think think it's a parental choice to give my child a healthy start something many parents fail to do. We are fast approaching a nation of fat and unhealthy children. My child is doing great.

 

[Norcon]

Alarm wrote

Maybe in supermarkets, if you looked at another thread I use my local butchers and know where and what it is fed on.

You think you know. Any abomination of chemicals could be present.

As to the other, no, why?

Hormones = Growth promoters.
Just thought you might have developed some abnormal growths.
Anythings possible with that sh*t. Used to implant the stuff into our livestock before it was banned.