Indeed - but even that would better be done in a more appropriate place than an Electrics forum!Or rather than asking questions, propose a solution.
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Indeed - but even that would better be done in a more appropriate place than an Electrics forum!Or rather than asking questions, propose a solution.
So as we don't live in a democracy we could simply ban all the ways people try to heat the outside, or do without doors, and not have to listen to bleating about it being undemocratic.Not particularly.Do you consider a government which was chosen by less than 25% of the electorate to be a democratic one?
To continue the quote of my post which you cut rather short....So as we don't live in a democracy we could simply ban all the ways people try to heat the outside, or do without doors, and not have to listen to bleating about it being undemocratic.
...If you're interested in pursuing such discussions, I would suggest that you find a Political Philosophy forum ...
George Orwell in his book 1984 where he talked about big brother and the "Thought Police".Remind me who it was who introduced the topic of that mythical system known as "democracy" into this thread?
*Official EU-regulated test data are provided for comparison purposes and actual performance will depend on driving style, road conditions and other non-technical factors. The “Combined/weighted” fuel consumption/CO2 figures calculated from two test results: one when the battery is fully charged and the other when the battery is discharged. The two test results are a weighted average, taking into account mileage range on battery power only, providing a figure in a variety of charge conditions. Extended range achieved by 1.4 litre 16-valve VVT ECOTEC® petrol engine generating electricity.
† Official Government Test Environmental Data. Fuel consumption figures mpg (litres/100km) and CO2 emissions (g/km). Model shown Vauxhall Ampera Positiv: Urban: N/A. Extra Urban: N/A. Combined/weighted: 235.4mpg (1.2). CO2 emissions: 27g/km. Up to 360 mile range is a cumulated range from battery electric and range-extender operation, based on the respective official combined consumption figures.
Good question. I presume there is no circulating fan? Have you actually monitored this fridge to see if it really is drawing 9W when the motor/compressor is not running?I have just replaced my fridge/freezer run watts 82 OK expect that, also de-frost watts 215 also expect that, but idle watts 9 now I do question why it uses 9 watts on idle? It has two little blue lights one says it's running and all is well, the other says it's on economy setting, so why does monitoring the temperature and deciding when to re-start motor or heater take 9 watts?
In addition to any resulting from electricity (and any gas) usage, some will be solar heat (even this August!) - all houses act as greenhouses to some extent (plus possibly some heat from the earth below the house). The heat output of the occupants is also very significant - if the body were 100% efficient, a person consuming 2,500 kcal of food today would put about 2.9 kWh per day into the environment in which they were - so one really needs to factor in the chemical energy of the food consumed by occupants if one wants to look properly at energy balances. As for the usage of electricity/gas itself, as you impy, virtually all of it (mainly cooking and water heating, as well as any actual space heating - but, as you say, also the totting up of all the minor loads, like lights and TVs) obviously ends up as heat within the house (before losses due to ventilation, conduction through walls/roof etc.)....since then not recorded over 14°C outside. I have no central heating running but the coolest this room has been is 19.3°C on 20th August that heat must come from items running in my house. TV, Computer, odd cup of coffee, fridge/freezer even the lights all add to the heat.
The problem is that it does not tell as anything like enough - and, as you suggest, the figures do seem rather 'surprising'. However, I don't think that is is quite as bad as you suggest, since the quoted mpg figure is an average of the 'fully charged battery' and 'flat battery' scenarios. For example, if the test were done over a distance which is within the capabilities of electricity-alone (no fuel usage), then to get an average (over both scenarios) of 235.4 mpg would only require 117.7 mpg (25.9 miles per litre) from fuel - but even that sounds a bit optimistic. A ,ot depends upon what sort of test drive one is talking about - fixed speed on a circuit (and, if so, what speed?), 'urban cycle' or what?...But just read this.One do you understand what it is saying? and Two do you really think anyone with a fully charged battery and one gallon of fuel will be able to drive 235.4 miles? ... Yes you could drive 51.78 miles with one litre of fuel starting with fully charged batteries and ending with fully discharged batteries but you could not drive 235.4 miles with a gallon of fuel....*Official EU-regulated test data are provided for comparison purposes and actual performance will depend on driving style, road conditions and other non-technical factors. The “Combined/weighted” fuel consumption/CO2 figures calculated from two test results: one when the battery is fully charged and the other when the battery is discharged. The two test results are a weighted average, taking into account mileage range on battery power only, providing a figure in a variety of charge conditions. Extended range achieved by 1.4 litre 16-valve VVT ECOTEC® petrol engine generating electricity.
† Official Government Test Environmental Data. Fuel consumption figures mpg (litres/100km) and CO2 emissions (g/km). Model shown Vauxhall Ampera Positiv: Urban: N/A. Extra Urban: N/A. Combined/weighted: 235.4mpg (1.2). CO2 emissions: 27g/km. Up to 360 mile range is a cumulated range from battery electric and range-extender operation, based on the respective official combined consumption figures.
Indeed, but we've living with that problem for decades - not the least in relation to vehicle mpg figures but, more recently, also in relation to 'energy efficiency' indicators in relation to a wide range of equipment/appliances.What we need is for manufacturers to be forced to give useful information about the power required to use their product but what the government has ended up doing is forcing manufacturers to give misleading information about their product because they are forced to use laid out methods of measuring.
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