Slightly obstructed!

[seasickstevie]

Washing machine & dishwasher plugged in behind kitchen units.

Removed a section of the back panel to show: electrician and plumber/gasfitter were not singing from the same hymn sheet.

End result: Not got brilliant access or adequate isolation ... an understatement perhaps?

 

[securespark]

Well, the socket must have been there first so that makes the plumber/ gas fitter an utter lazy arse!

 

[Jackrae]

But they must have been GasSafe "qualified/certified" to undertake such work

 

[JohnW2]

But they must have been GasSafe "qualified/certified" to undertake such work

What about being "GasSafe 'qualified/certified' " prevents one being a lazy arse (or, indeed, just plain stiupid)?

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

BS 6891: Specification for the installation and maintenance of low pressure gas installation pipework of up to 35 mm (R1¼) on premises

8.16.2 Separation of installation pipework from other services

Where installation pipes are not separated by electrical insulating material, they shall be spaced as follows: a) at least 150 mm away from electricity meters and associated excess current controls, electrical switches or sockets, distribution boards or consumer units; b) at least 25mm away from electricity supply and distribution cables.

 

[Jackrae]

I'd have thought that one of the purposes of employing someone who has undergone some form of training and obligatory certification was the expectation of them doing a job to a satisfactory standard and the application of a modicum of common sense.

Ah well ...... pay peanuts, get monkeys

 

[securespark]

How d'you know the payment was peanuts?

 

[stillp]

From the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations:

Safe use of pipes
18.—(1) No person shall install any installation pipework in any position in which it cannot be used with safety having regard to the position of other pipes, pipe supports, drains, sewers, cables, conduits and electrical apparatus and to any parts of the structure of any premises in which it is installed which might affect its safe use.

 

[JohnW2]

I'd have thought that one of the purposes of employing someone who has undergone some form of training and obligatory certification was the expectation of them doing a job to a satisfactory standard and the application of a modicum of common sense.

I'm not sure that is borne out by the heated discussion I had about 'bonding' with the GasSafe registered/certified/whatever person I had here recently! In the end, he refused to do the (trivial) gas work because I would not let him install the umpteen unnecessary bonding conductors he wanted to install, because he said that the gas installation would be "far too dangerous to work on" without that bonding. Maybe, hopefully, his understanding of safety issues relating to gas were somewhat better informed.

Kind Regards, John

 

[PBC_1966]

In the end, he refused to do the (trivial) gas work because I would not let him install the umpteen unnecessary bonding conductors he wanted to install, because he said that the gas installation would be "far too dangerous to work on" without that bonding.

Now my curiosity has been peaked - Would you care to elucidate?

 

[securespark]

:jumpingupanddownfuriously:

Metoometoometoo!!

 

[JohnW2]

In the end, he refused to do the (trivial) gas work because I would not let him install the umpteen unnecessary bonding conductors he wanted to install, because he said that the gas installation would be "far too dangerous to work on" without that bonding.

Now my curiosity has been peaked - Would you care to elucidate?

Just the usual 'plumber thing' plus a bit more - he wanted to connect everything to everything else with bits of G/Y cable but, worse, wanted to run 'main bonds' from the boiler back to the (fairly distant) MET (which would have been very disruptive), despite the fact that the gas (LPG) and water services are main bonded where they enter the property. Had it just been a matter of his (unnecessary) 'cross-bonding', I would probably have let him amuse himself by installing them, but there was no way that I was going to have my house taken apart to route his crazy 'main bonds'! He had some extraordinary idea that there was a requirement for 'main bonds' to be visible at the location of the boiler!

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

I suspect that regulation 10 might have something to do with it:
Maintaining electrical continuity
10. In any case where it is necessary to prevent danger, no person shall carry out work in relation to a gas fitting without using a suitable bond to maintain electrical continuity until the work is completed and permanent electrical continuity has been restored.

The word "bond" perhaps sticks in whatever passes for a brain in these people.

 

[JohnW2]

I suspect that regulation 10 might have something to do with it: Maintaining electrical continuity 10. In any case where it is necessary to prevent danger, no person shall carry out work in relation to a gas fitting without using a suitable bond to maintain electrical continuity until the work is completed and permanent electrical continuity has been restored.

Maybe, but that presumably refers to a temporary bond between parts whilst undertaking work?

The word "bond" perhaps sticks in whatever passes for a brain in these people.

It seems so - he kept going on and on about these (certainly not temporary!) 'main bonds' that he said were required!!

Kind Regards, John

 

[stillp]

Maybe, but that presumably refers to a temporary bond between parts whilst undertaking work?

Yes, I think so. Changing a meter, for example.