Boilers,Boilers,Boilers!!!

[PullerGas]

Chances are every second thread is a gas boiler question, but some chancer repairing a dodgy old shed of a boiler & they don't even have a Blockbuster Card let alone a Gas Ticket.

 

[Steelmasons]

Hey Puller , you still using that gas ticket you pulled out of a jamboree bag???....

 

[ollski]

I think I mentioned on another thread about refusing to answer questions.
Would stop some footfall to site and then advertising revenue which would hit site owners in pocket though.
It's up to them to police it properly.
If they don't (which they seem to be doing) then we need to decide how we as a collective proceed.

To be fair they dont need to 'police' it, its a site preference / rule, there is absolutely no dictate that safe gas work procedures are only the preserve of a chosen few.

Think you need to read the GSIUR then.

Have a lot of time for you @ollski but you seem to be giving very bad advice of late.

Jon

Jon I'm sorry if it comes across wrong but I hate censorship in any form. If somebody is interested in the mechanical process of a machine I'm familiar with then I will tell them, their competence to use the information is guided in the GSUIR and is for them to assess. If I've given incorrect advice i will gladly remove it.

 

[Fire and Ice]

Why don't the Mods nip it in the bud???!!!

The standard of moderation on this site is pretty dire, rather than gentle control, they allow things to get out of control and then they march in and delete posts without an explanation as to what the problem is. I doubt that I will have much to do with this part of the forum because once a DIYer doesn't get the answer they want, they become abusive. The moderators do nothing and the pros either waste their time arguing with the OP or simply retire back to the CC and don't bother to help again.

 

[Aquaheat]

I think I mentioned on another thread about refusing to answer questions.
Would stop some footfall to site and then advertising revenue which would hit site owners in pocket though.
It's up to them to police it properly.
If they don't (which they seem to be doing) then we need to decide how we as a collective proceed.

To be fair they dont need to 'police' it, its a site preference / rule, there is absolutely no dictate that safe gas work procedures are only the preserve of a chosen few.

Think you need to read the GSIUR then.

Have a lot of time for you @ollski but you seem to be giving very bad advice of late.

Jon

Jon I'm sorry if it comes across wrong but I hate censorship in any form. If somebody is interested in the mechanical process of a machine I'm familiar with then I will tell them, their competence to use the information is guided in the GSUIR and is for them to assess. If I've given incorrect advice i will gladly remove it.

It doesn't come across wrong at all and please don't take anything in the reply as a personal insult as it is aimed at a generality.

It in no way is a form of censorship. If you have the intelligence about you then you can find every single thing that we refuse to apply to post in an open forum and so much more if you so wish.

If they can't manage to find that then they have already proved they shouldn't be doing it.

You refer to a mechanical process but that can be anything from a single stage movement eg pivot up the most massively complex machines and hydraulics, computer systems and control systems that you could imagine. You can choose to give whatever advice you feel you can to whomever you feel is deemed competent. That's your choice.

I, for one, will never have that guilty feeling when "single mum 27 kills herself and kid in house explosion or CO poisoning" turns up on TV.

By actively encouraging people to have a go and berating us for saying that they should seek help you are perpetuating this game of DIY Russian roulette.

If this continued then it won't being before this or a n other site will be in court. Us engineers should be OK though. We have indemnity insurance

Jon

 

[Aquaheat]

Well anyway. After my abstinence of strip clubs, whatever the evil twisted minds of some might try and make you believe, I went through every post in this section of the forum from the last week.

It was quick, had to get to the club, it needs more detailed work. I gained an average of what jobs would cost, how many online diagnosis and cure were successful, how many times that advice lead to a simple fix and even just a guiding in the right direction to help out. There are boiler quotes, full installation quotes and many in between.

All of these posts would have originally needed a guy to come out before the dawn of the Internet.

I got it to somewhere in the region of £20,000 worth of work that us, very few and very rarely free, professionals have provided. That's a week! And also probably a lot lower than it will be if looked at properly.

Extrapolate that to a month now we are talking £85,000

Now a year, that's just over a MILLION POUNDS!!

YES OVER A MILLION that us supposedly greedy engineers give you out of our own businesses every year and that's just in this section with probably a core of 100 guys? Of which Tony is in that 100 too. Then add the sparks threads, the builders and the legalities threads and you are talking many millions every year that is given for free and believe me by doing this WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR DEVALUING OUR TRADES!!!!

That's what we give to you for our free time. We receive nothing from the site and get very few thanks from those that we do help. We put up with the k00nts and yet still help out.

Jon.

 

[vulcancontinental]

Got to agree with the wizzard on this, let 'em. A few incidents in the press will atune other minds to get it done properly. People are people, some cheap, some inquisitive, some very capable others less so. Look at some of the stuff in the CC, if we're going to be so prescious I think we ought to clean our own act up first.

People do their own cars up when that could run off the road and kill others and the driver.

Why moan about the mods, anyone can ask a question, just don't answer it if you disagree; don't have a go at the mod or the enquirer, have a go at the person that answered it.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Why moan about the mods, anyone can ask a question, just don't answer it if you disagree; don't have a go at the mod or the enquirer, have a go at the person that answered it.

The issue with the mods is consistency and anonymity. They have their own personal agendas, most are incompetent too it seems. They use the "if you don't report it we don't know" argument without realising the whole purpose of moderating a forum. Either butt out and let anarchy reign, or do the job properly.

Posts get deleted that take threads totally out of context with no explanation and now on the new forum software we don't know which mod has been interfering.

 

[vulcancontinental]

Don't know about that Dan but if it's that important we should be our own mod's and point out to a poster giving gas advise we don't like the situation.

But I think when you're referring to the mods you have other issues with them.

 

[Dan Robinson]

I have issues with one mod thats for sure, the rest of my issues are with the site policy in general, but they haven't changed it in all these years, so i doubt they will now.

Which might be why people are migrating to Faceache.

 

[shambolic]

You need to pay a registered gas installer to repair your gas boiler!!! It appears it's repeated every second thread on this forum!!!

If the non registered feel the need to carry out repairs then crack on with it , they only have themselves to blame if it all goes tits up and someone gets killed....
Replaced gas valve on a Vaillant Ecotec , out the box CO was around 65,000 PPM with CO2 in excess of 11%....
If the DIYer possess the knowledge and equipment in order to correctly set combustion then as said crack on.

But his missus who lived said he took advice from @Gaswizard on diynot forum and he told him to fit it.
Do you think you will get a chap on the door?
That's why we need to watch how and what we advise on.

 

[Stadan20]

Or if some diyer is clearly asking as he or she is doing a self fix , just tell them something completely unrelated ,,,,,, for example ...., fan fault light on solo how do I remove ... Advise to change programmer

 

[ollski]

You need to pay a registered gas installer to
But his missus who lived said he took advice from @Gaswizard on diynot forum and he told him to fit it.
Do you think you will get a chap on the door?
That's why we need to watch how and what we advise on.

You need to pay a registered gas installer to repair your gas boiler!!! It appears it's repeated every second thread on this forum!!!

If the non registered feel the need to carry out repairs then crack on with it , they only have themselves to blame if it all goes tits up and someone gets killed....
Replaced gas valve on a Vaillant Ecotec , out the box CO was around 65,000 PPM with CO2 in excess of 11%....
If the DIYer possess the knowledge and equipment in order to correctly set combustion then as said crack on.

But his missus who lived said he took advice from @Gaswizard on diynot forum and he told him to fit it.
Do you think you will get a chap on the door?
That's why we need to watch how and what we advise on.

This is the odd paranoia which has invaded the site in the last 10 years, if this was possible manufacturers would have been having to defend themselves constantly for supplying instructions containing detailed fault finding and step-through parts replacement. I have no problem with job preservation and not helping for that reason, but I hate the nannying we seem to have self imposed on ourselves to the 'general public', whoever he / she is.........

 

[PullerGas]

Boiler manufacturers have their own agenda. If a DaftyDIYer takes out the entire street, then regardless of the fatalities, then that's 20-30 new boiler sales!! Again, if someone kills an old Granny with co it's just another new boiler sale to them.

 

[Fire and Ice]

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You need to pay a registered gas installer to
But his missus who lived said he took advice from @Gaswizard on diynot forum and he told him to fit it.
Do you think you will get a chap on the door?
That's why we need to watch how and what we advise on.

You need to pay a registered gas installer to repair your gas boiler!!! It appears it's repeated every second thread on this forum!!!

If the non registered feel the need to carry out repairs then crack on with it , they only have themselves to blame if it all goes tits up and someone gets killed....
Replaced gas valve on a Vaillant Ecotec , out the box CO was around 65,000 PPM with CO2 in excess of 11%....
If the DIYer possess the knowledge and equipment in order to correctly set combustion then as said crack on.

But his missus who lived said he took advice from @Gaswizard on diynot forum and he told him to fit it.
Do you think you will get a chap on the door?
That's why we need to watch how and what we advise on.

This is the odd paranoia which has invaded the site in the last 10 years, if this was possible manufacturers would have been having to defend themselves constantly for supplying instructions containing detailed fault finding and step-through parts replacement. I have no problem with job preservation and not helping for that reason, but I hate the nannying we seem to have self imposed on ourselves to the 'general public', whoever he / she is.........

Well then, the DIYers have all of the information that they need to sort their boiler out don't they? They don't need advice from here. I think you will find that each boiler manual does have a paragraph or two stating clearly that gas installations should be carried out by suitably qualified persons, so they are off the hook.