Is that so called Garden tax really a labour policy (or future policy)?

[daxu]

Yes, the tory marketing department and the daily express have been driven into hysteria by the sight of Theresa doing such an awful job that her electoral lead is shrivelling away. But they still hope there are people who will believe their made-up story and circulate it.

You, for example.

This is right in page 86 of labour Manifesto
http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour Manifesto 2017.pdf
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A Labour government will give local government extra funding next year. We will initiate a review into reforming council tax and business rates and consider new options such as a land value tax, to ensure local government has sustainable funding for the long term.
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The labourland document was what proposed. You could say that labour may not accept that doc when they got into power, but that document is the only doc produced so far to explain how will they do it at the moment.

You may support labour, but there is no point to be angry and try to shut other people up when there is a concern.
For me, that document will indeed destroy a major part of private renting sector, and both landlords and tenants will suffer significantly.

 

[JohnD]

No, the labourland policy is not what is proposed. It is not labour party policy. Labourland is not the labour party.

 

[JohnD]

For me, that document will indeed destroy a major part of private renting sector, and both landlords and tenants will suffer significantly.

Then I strongly recommend you don't vote Daily Express on Thursday.

 

[JohnD]

there is no point to be angry and try to shut other people up when there is a ........... .

...false story being circulated, which untruthfully tries to make citizens believe a lie in order to influence an election.

There is very considerable point.

 

[Doggit]

To be fair to John, it's not in the labour manifesto, but that doesn't mean that it isn't being bandied about by some labour politicians (Kezia Dugdale for one) and could well get brought into being if they got into power to then fill any holes they find in their manifesto pledges.

But whilst I haven't read through everything, I think it'll get paid by anyone renting the property, not the landlords, as it's an intended replacement for council tax; not that Labour wouldn't then try and shift it in the landlords direction, but that could then possibly make the councils pay the tax on their social housing.

 

[noseall]

Diddums, landlords will have to sell. Thus flooding the market with more properties. BTL has done more to increase house prices than to lessen them.

 

[noseall]

To be fair to John, it's not in the labour manifesto, but that doesn't mean that it isn't being bandied about by some labour politicians

It's being bandied about that the Tories won't raise taxes - well actually some are and some are not. Is 'bandied about' the new phrase for bullshi11ing?

 

[daxu]

Diddums, landlords will have to sell. Thus flooding the market with more properties. BTL has done more to increase house prices than to lessen them.

Indeed landlords will have to sell. But what happens to the people who live in the property? Where can they find any place to rent? They all become homeless or council magically finds lots of houses for them?

 

[JohnD]

But whilst I haven't read through everything, I think it'll get paid ....

"It" is a thing that is not any party's policy.

You might just as well say that Theresa's new Unicorn tax of 50p per litre of diesel will bear down unfairly on independent tradesmen who run their own smoky transits.

You might just as well say that even though Theresa has not announced a unicorn tax, and has not mentioned 50p a litre.

I am sure that the householder customers will end up paying the 50p because tradesmen will bump up their charges to cover it.

Are you not embarressed to see that the Daily Express con-the-voters scheme has worked on you?

 

[HawkEye244]

In my area, a property's asking price was 180k. The property next to it was let out and the rent was 700-750£ (I know the landlord).
For a property you can buy for 275K, the rent is like 900£ - 1000£ here. So shouldn't make any big differences.
With that tax and mortgage, landlords already don't make any money or make very tiny amount. Then you put maintenance and all kind of fees, there is no way for landlord to make any money (even when the interest is low).

So no landlords will want to rent to anyone and they will want to sell, what will happen to all the tenants?

Labour despise small businesses and private landlords and find any reason to attack it and/or tax it. So yes it will be grim for private landlords and is already to be quite honest, with the number of loops and hurdles that need to be tackled, all of them supposedly designed to stop bad landlords, but the real reason is to tax the good ones. Shocking really considering the government was happy to cash out by selling of most of it's housing stock (one of Thatchers biggest mistakes) and now to turn round and start targetting people who've worked to become landlords and are making a good living out of it. Frankly all it will do is send the quality of housing downwards as landlords will become more and more reluctant to pay out for repairs and maintenance and all the bells and whistles bits of fuking paperwork etc etc in a market of diminishing returns. Corbyn getting in will only destroy the sector further and worsen the housing crisis. Some dark days ahead.

 

[JohnD]

You should consider that when circumstances change, people change their behaviour.

When a government makes laws saying that councils must sell their £10 notes for £5 each, councils soon run out of tenners, and the lucky buyers chuckle as they cart away the barrowloads of profit.

When a government makes laws saying that investors in the housing trade will be treated more generously than investors in the biscuits trade, investors will move out of biscuits and into housing.

However, when a government makes laws that landlords can no longer steal their tenants deposits, and may only rent out homes fit for human habitation, or will be taxed less generously, landlords will at first moan and whine, then will either comply, or will move into some other line of business.

Did you seriously ask what will happen if landlords want to sell their houses, in a country where there are people who would like to buy houses? We have built too few houses for twenty years or more. Of course there is a housing crisis.

 

[HawkEye244]

You should consider that when circumstances change, people change their behaviour.

When a government makes laws saying that councils must sell their £10 notes for £5 each, councils soon run out of tenners, and the lucky buyers chuckle as they cart away the barrowloads of profit.

When a government makes laws saying that investors in the housing trade will be treated more generously than investors in the biscuits trade, investors will move out of biscuits and into housing.

However, when a government makes laws that landlords can no longer steal their tenants deposits, and may only rent out homes fit for human habitation, or will be taxed less generously, landlords will at first moan and whine, then will either comply, or will move into some other line of business.

Did you seriously ask what will happen if landlords want to sell their houses, in a country where there are people who would like to buy houses? We have built too few houses for twenty years or more. Of course there is a housing crisis.

No it doesn't work like that. Unscrupulous and ruthless landlords still operate and will operate even with ten times more legislation than there is currently. Those who are crooked and determined enough will continue unabated. In fact driving down their profits and making it more difficult for them to operate will make it even worse for tenants. Some people WANT to rent, not to buy. It's not necessarily renting that is the issue it is the price of renting. You are misguided.

 

[JohnD]

Many countries have the concept of Social Housing.

Many countries did not have Thatcher and Porter.

 

[daxu]

You should consider that when circumstances change, people change their behaviour.

When a government makes laws saying that councils must sell their £10 notes for £5 each, councils soon run out of tenners, and the lucky buyers chuckle as they cart away the barrowloads of profit.

When a government makes laws saying that investors in the housing trade will be treated more generously than investors in the biscuits trade, investors will move out of biscuits and into housing.

However, when a government makes laws that landlords can no longer steal their tenants deposits, and may only rent out homes fit for human habitation, or will be taxed less generously, landlords will at first moan and whine, then will either comply, or will move into some other line of business.

Did you seriously ask what will happen if landlords want to sell their houses, in a country where there are people who would like to buy houses? We have built too few houses for twenty years or more. Of course there is a housing crisis.

I think most of the items already done, tenants deposits are protected, landlord can't really offset their mortgage cost as they used to do, and most landlords certainly rent out homes only fit for human habitation (at least the ones I know). There are always bad ones, but do we really punish all the law-binding landlords will hefty fees and extra layers of bureaucracy?

I certainly seriously ask what will happen if landlords want to sell their houses, it is not the landlords I would worry the most, it is the tenants. Where are they going to live if lots of landlords decide to sell? Most of the tenants won't be able to afford to buy in short time.

 

[JohnD]

most of the items already done

yes, I have included examples of changes already made, and of changes already proposed.

private landlords moaned anyway, then they either conformed or reinvested in something else.

Would you be surprised to learn that landlords are currently not prohibited from putting tenants in homes that are unfit for human habitation?