No confidence vote against TM as party leader

[vinty]

If one accepts that one must also accept that the UK is "tyranny of the majority".
A BAS has repeatedly asked Bodd for explanation, perhaps we can also ask you how you think the "tyranny of the majority" as applied to the EU differs from the "tyranny of the majority" as applied to UK?

Because the British have a common identity as a single nation.
The EU is a conglomerate of separate nations with separate identities who put their own interests first.

 

[JohnD]

Because the British have a common identity as a single nation.

That's an interesting claim.

I see the people of Northern Ireland voted in favour of remaining in the EU.

As did the people of Scotland.

But they are being forced by the elderly English voters into losing membership.

Who was it that mentioned the "tyranny of the majority?"

Oh yes! It was vinty!

'Tyranny of the majority'

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Consider the possibility that Bodd is just trolling by throwing in a false smear, and that notch is aiding him.

It is a serious thing to allege that someone is so immature and so inadequate that for their own amusement they write things simply to sow discord by starting a quarrel or to upset people by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the intent of provoking them into an emotional response.

You will not change them by logic or facts.

No, but their silence when asked to say what they believe are facts speaks volumes about their integrity.

 

[Doppleganger]

If it was obvious you have provided an explanation.

Why do you keep clipping "I" from my posts?
It indicates my opinion.
Do you think that by clipping "I" from my posts it gives the illusion that I am claiming that everyone has the same opinion as me?

Two things:
Why would a sensible person think the EU is democratic? The media, has for many years stated the EU is undemodratic.

If you are referring to the typical tabloids, that is hardly representative of balanced media.
But your argument is based on a false premise.
The argument only arose as a criticism of the EU. It is a strawman argument.
If the criticism had been a fair and balanced argument it would have tried to argue that the EU was less democratic than the UK or other countries.
It is no less than and far more democratic than other countries.
It is exactly like the argument that the EU books have not been balanced or audited for x number of years.
That is normal for the average government.
In fact the EU is far better than the average government. So it is a one-sided argument meant to appeal to the uneducated and ill-informed.

Secondly, nobody in this thread has provided any kind of explanation of how or the workings of the EU make it demodratic or otherwise.

There is no need because the EU is equally as democratic as the UK.
So why bother conducting an exercise based on a strawman allegation.
It would be like me suggesting that you are a leprechaun and you having to go to the bother of disproving my allegation.
It is pointless, and merely serves to give succour to the original strawman argument.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Why would a sensible person think the EU is democratic?

Because a sensible person would dispassionately consider the facts.

The media, has for many years stated the EU is undemodratic.

Indeed they have.

A sensible person would realise that the media are more interested in echoing back the prejudices of their audiences for commercial gain than in dispassionately reporting the facts.

Secondly, nobody in this thread has provided any kind of explanation of how or the workings of the EU make it demodratic or otherwise.

But all those citing its "undemocratic" nature as a valid reason for leaving have been asked to show the veracity of their claims.

And all have refused to do so.

 

[Doppleganger]

That's an interesting claim.

Not to mention the Celts, the Welsh etc.
Britain is described as a nation of high diversity and a society with high levels of diversity may have to face the fact that it has no identity to speak of.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

So it is a one-sided argument meant to appeal to the uneducated and ill-informed.

Like every other single aspect of the Leave campaign.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Not to mention the Celts, the Welsh etc.
Britain is described as a nation of high diversity and a society with high levels of diversity may have to face the fact that it has no identity to speak of.

And a great deal of what is considered an English identity, as distinct from a Scottish/Irish/Welsh one has come from the Normans.

 

[Notch7]

But all those citing its "undemocratic" nature as a valid reason for leaving have been asked to show the veracity of their claims.

And all have refused to do so

Interesting that all those, saying the EU is democratic, have refused to prove the veracity of their claim.

Instead they are playing whataboutery, wanting to give examples of non elected persons that have nothing to do with the EU.

Perhaps BAS thinks the archbishop of Canterbury works for the EU, its anybodies guess.

 

[Doppleganger]

And a great deal of what is considered an English identity, as distinct from a Scottish/Irish/Welsh one has come from the Normans.

Oh come on now BAS don't stretch the imagination some of them Normans didn't even live in the UK:
Norman Wisdom for one.

 

[Doppleganger]

Interesting that all those, saying the EU is democratic, have refused to prove the veracity of their claim.

Instead they are playing whataboutery, wanting to give examples of non elected persons that have nothing to do with the EU.

Perhaps BAS thinks the archbishop of Canterbury works for the EU, its anybodies guess.

Your argument is a strawman argument.
No-one is saying that the EU is absolutely democratic.
What everyone is saying that it is equally as democratic, and in most cases more democratic, than other nations.
It has been compared to the UK government and found to be equally as democratic, or more so.

Now if the UK government is several hundred years in evolution, the EU government is a fast learner, and will continue to be so.

 

[Doppleganger]

Consider the possibility that Bodd is just trolling by throwing in a false smear, and that notch is aiding him.

It is a serious thing to allege that someone is so immature and so inadequate that for their own amusement they write things simply to sow discord by starting a quarrel or to upset people by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the intent of provoking them into an emotional response.

Perhaps BAS thinks the archbishop of Canterbury works for the EU, its anybodies guess.

Stand up and be counted.

 

[durhamplumber]

But they are being forced by the elderly

Lololololololol

 

[durhamplumber]

It is a serious thing to allege that someone is so immature and so inadequate that for their own amusement they write things simply to sow discord by starting a quarrel or to upset people by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the intent of provoking them into an emotional response.

You do it constantly

 

[durhamplumber]

Now if the UK government is several hundred years in evolution, the EU government is a fast learner, and will continue to be so.

Very debatable