Low Resistance on IR Testing

I would also suggest removing the accessories during your installed cable tests, just to confirm it is the cables with low IR.
That's obviously advisable when testing in-situ wiring in a situation like this. However, he has tested just a length of unused cable on a drum, with no accessories or anything else connected - and still got a 'low' IR reading (although he gets the expected >999 MΩ when he tests another in-situ circuit which uses different cable, and when he leaves the meter probes not connected to anything)

Kind Regards, John
 
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That's obviously advisable when testing in-situ wiring in a situation like this. However, he has tested just a length of unused cable on a drum, with no accessories or anything else connected - and still got a 'low' IR reading (although he gets the expected >999 MΩ when he tests another in-situ circuit which uses different cable, and when he leaves the meter probes not connected to anything)

Kind Regards, John

Yes, I know - but this is a really strange one..
 
Just a thought:

Is 55MΩ @ 250V and 12.7MΩ @ 500V something that would be expected?

It's not exactly accurate, is it?
 
Just a thought:

Is 55MΩ @ 250V and 12.7MΩ @ 500V something that would be expected?

It's not exactly accurate, is it?

If the Meggar is accurate - I test mine with 1% resistors, then it is suggestive of insulation breaking down, the higher the voltage, the more it breaks down.
 
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Just a thought: Is 55MΩ @ 250V and 12.7MΩ @ 500V something that would be expected? It's not exactly accurate, is it?
If the resistance were a 'fixed quantity', then the meter reading would be exactly the same regardless of the test voltage - but that isn't necessarily the case. The whole point of testing at different voltages (or, at least, at a 'high enough voltage') is that resistance may vary according to voltage - otherwise one could do all one's IR testing with, say, 12V, or less.

It's far from unknown, in an 'insulation breakdown' situation, to have an IR of >999 MΩ (or whatever) at 250V, but much lower with 500V. That's why we routinely test at 500V.

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes, I know - but this is a really strange one..
Certainly very unusual - but everything that he has experienced and reported to us seems to exonerate his meter, and leave a finger pointing firmly at the cable (even though cable that is 'faulty' in this manner is incredibly rare). The results which we hope to see soon 'with a different meter' should settle this, one way or another, for once and all!

Kind Regards, John
 
Yes, I used to do a global IR test after a fault was reported.
 
Certainly is odd and if I were still installing, I would test all my rolls of cable before use from now on!!
 
Certainly is odd and if I were still installing, I would test all my rolls of cable before use from now on!!
Since the consequences of installing large amounts of faulty cable can be horrendous, I've seen it suggested that one should always do that. However, presumably because it's such an incredibly rare occurrence, I don't recall having heard of anyone actually doing that with 'brand new' cable of reputable origin.

Kind Regards, John
 
Standard practise when any cable is manufactured, is to test the finished item, which I why I am so surprised by this.

I once urgently needed an armoured cable and the company I worked for hired me a van (Transit) to collect it from the manufacturer. I arrived to find it, despite it not being long enough to need a drum, on a drum. Of course the drum would not fit through the van door and 11pm at night having driven 100 miles to collect it, is no time to be trying to find another vehicle. The manufacturer was reluctant to unroll it from the drum, because it had been tested and documented on the drum - common sense eventually prevailed and I drove off with it :)
 
Standard practise when any cable is manufactured, is to test the finished item, which I why I am so surprised by this.
Yes, I think we're all very surprised, and most of us probably still find it 'hard (or 'impossible'?) to believe'.

The thing which I personally find most 'hard to believe' is that essentially the same 'problem' seems to exist in relation to several separate lengths of the cable (different circuits). That would imply that, if it is due to something 'wrong' with the cable, it must be 'something wrong' throughout the entire length of the (n fact, more than one) drum of the cable - which really does seem incredibly improbable.

As you say, the fact that the finished item is, or should be, tested prior to release by the manufacturer should prevent faulty products getting to market, we all know that, for whatever reason, that process is not totally foolproof. Even aircraft and spacecraft have suffered from this 'imperfection'.

I wait with bated breath for the results of testing with a different meter!

Kind regards, John
 
I wait with bated breath for the results of testing with a different meter!

I wonder if these tests are being carried out close to a radio transmitter of some significant power. Radio Frequency Energy could be inducing voltages in the cable and thus the resistance meaurement is false.
 
No, the new reel was on my living room floor, lol. Nothing close, no power lines etc...

If I hold the test button down for a long time, the reading steady goes up and up...... Not seen this before. I mean like 10 sec or so....
 

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