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I think Bodds posts are unintentional non constructive ambiguity
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I lied... A filthy waking lie.
An optometrist in Australia once asked if down the line in my family there was a Black man.... I don't know how he could tell just by looking in my eyes and that was as man and not a woman....
So there you go looks as if down the line I may have a bit of African.. Of course my Mum and Nan denied it all.
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You'll have to explain that to me..
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Surely that is natural - unless you can enforce what I suggested - forced locating.
That's no better.
It indicates you are only concerned with "people of colour"[sic] and don't mind Earls Court being overrun with Australians (I don't know if that is actually true but it is often quoted and just an example).
Yes - attracting West Indians, the results of Idi Amin and granting citizenship to the colonies.
All I can do is talk from experience and from studying (at great detail) the census returns of 1971 to 2011.
A personal story now... Two generations of my family owned a chippy in a poor suburb. They kept prices lower (against the advice of the financial adviser) so that people had a place to eat. My grandmother was a big figure in the community. Everybody used this chip shop and everybody mixed (Indian women with curry sauces, coppers, factory workers, men, women). The community was poor but strong. They sold the chippy in about 1981. My grandparents lived nearby but in the early 2000s moved off the street. Since then around 11 or 12 different nationalities have moved in there. There is no sense of community, the police crime maps show it is a hotbed of minor crime and the area is visibly run down. Most of the people on the street work but none are interested in the area they live in -- there is just no connection to the it.
Appreciate it's only a specific case but it's part of the reasons which led me to form the opinion I have now.
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Wow.
I feel heartily sorry for you.
Your parents have given you such a blinkered upbringing with such a narrow-minded viw of the world and that is truly sad.
To think what you could have become with an unencumbered upbringing and a balanced view of the world and the people who inhabit it.
Phil Larkin was spot on:
They f**k you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fu**ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
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Then "forced locating" becomes another term for managing the movement of people. Maybe it is the right solution -- I don't know. It would have been good to have had this open forum with those living in affected communities.
What's your preferred suggestion?
I really don't understand your point here, sorry! I think you're being deliberately awkward. I specifically mentioned "White British" because the Census returns specifically say "White British".
Such is life in the modern world. I think you will have to get used to it.
There are villages in Devon with large numbers of people from that there London and up North.
Probably sold their house to an Indian for a good price.
Im not sure the 2 are connected.
I guess the argument is that if immigration had been limited then the concentrations of different groups may have been less.
Cwhaley did say he wanted 'a serious conversation about it' -he wasnt saying it was a solution, but wanted a discussion regarding it'.
Effects of immigration are complex and nuanced -I do feel that if people were less quick to jump to polarised conclusions the debate would soften not harden entrenched positions.
This goes back to the days when every talked about 'multiculturalism'
The reality is that people that share similarities collect together.
Ever been to one of those management courses where everybody gets forced into splitting up into groups - everybody hates it.
I dont think we can force people to live where they are told.....thats social engineering.
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Can we not get this closed please as this is my daily walk journal.
...but it wasn't and my question is still valid if you don't want them all living near each other in groups.
...and I asked how that could be achieved.
I did not jump; merely pointed out where he might have gone wrong in his question.
From the census he is using:
which is why I said 'every tenth house'.
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ain-social-infrastructure-money-national-grid
No doubt that has something to do with it.
Our economy is geared and requires immigration.
Lets take an approach which many on here argue. We don't want this amount of migration we wanted far less, many don't want any at all. Thats perfectly fine. Now you will have to find solutions for getting people the skills companies require, we will need to encourage woman to have more children so we need better childcare, maternity and paternity benefits, we will need to invest in social services and support for older people. We will need to spend more on public spaces and public services. Now these are all noble aims but they require the Government to be more involved in your life, the public sector to be larger - these are all objectives that conflict with the view we need smaller government, less public involvement and laissez faire economics.
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