Is the NHS up for sale?

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"In sentencing, Mrs Justice May described the case as "disturbing... on so many levels - three dead, two injured at the hands of someone floridly psychotic at the time and therefore not criminally responsible".

"She said she would be making a hospital order with restrictions to ensure Lewis-Ranwell "won't be allowed into the community until agencies are absolutely content it is OK for him to be released".

Let's hope it's not down to another G4S numpty...

Otherwise he'll probably be released as 'quick as they khan', and the company will get a 'rehabilitation bonus'!
 
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So long as he is locked up indifinitely because of his insanity the technicalities of the hearing are not so important. I don't think they are going to let him out in a hurry, are they?
Oh, actually, the tories cuts ... yeah, he'll free by spring.
 
OK Trump doesn't want to touch it. But it's a good story to keep spinning 'he's lying!' If he denied or dismissed talking about NHS he's a liar. :LOL:
 
OK Trump doesn't want to touch it. But it's a good story to keep spinning 'he's lying!' If he denied or dismissed talking about NHS he's a liar. :LOL:

The reality is that brexit means we lose all EU negotiated trade deals.

So post brexit the UK will be in a weak position and have to negotiate with the US.
The US will only do a trade deal if it gets access to NHS, starting with increased prices for drugs.

RWR brexers on here that believe that is not the case are frankly away with the fairies.

Corbyn is right
Johnson is lying
Simples.
 
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Times Boris has talked about Privatising the NHS.

Ten more times Boris Johnson backed NHS privatisation
“And this is not as trivial as it sounds, because we need to think about new ways of getting private money into the NHS. If you look at the countries that do better on cancer survival rates, and on coronary heart disease – countries such as Belgium, Germany or France – they do not rely on a monopoly state provider. They have a variety of systems – employer-based insurance schemes, employee-based insurance schemes, whatever; and they manage to spend more per capita on health, and to achieve better results, because they do not just rely on general taxation and spending – the first being electorally unpopular and the second being inefficient.”

Boris Johnson, ‘Friends, Voters, Countrymen’, 17 June 2002, page 15, link
“Why shouldn’t the Tories continue to match Labour funding on the NHS, but try to find ways of bringing in additional, private money?”

Boris Johnson, The Spectator, 12 May 2001, link
“Perhaps that extra money should come not just from taxation but from the kind of insurance-based schemes they have on the Continent.”

Boris Johnson, The Spectator, 2 June 2001, link
“Of course it would be better if there were more choice in the NHS, and more opportunity to buy optional services – but that is another story.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 20 December 2001, link
“At the risk of tempting him into a departure from Labour’s approved ideology, I invite him to agree that it shows what private enterprise can do in the field of health care.”

Boris Johnson, Parliament, 2 July 2002, link
“One way or another, Gordon will have to give us our money back next week, in tax cuts or spending, and at last Labour seems to understand that the answer is not always and everywhere an expansion of the public sector. Look at the NHS, where ministers finally seem to accept – after abolishing tax breaks for private insurance and persecuting consultants in private practice – that private beds will be necessary to stave off a flu crisis this winter.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 2 November 2000, link
“They don’t seem to have anything very interesting to say about the continuing crisis in the NHS, obsessed as they are with the monopolistic, top-down, state-driven solutions. They’re banishing the good consultants who want to do some private work, and they’ve done their best to make private health insurance unaffordable for the elderly.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 7 December 2000, link
“One of the reasons why the NHS is no longer the envy of the world is that it is still top-down, statist and treats patients like serfs and dolts. To be fair to Blair and Labour, they recognise this, at least in their rhetoric. They talk endlessly about mixing in the private sector.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 14 June 2001, link
“The result, after five years, is that we have what is in many ways a deteriorating health service, and an unhappy “Third Way” compromise between Prime Minister and Chancellor. Private firms are increasingly involved in NHS infrastructure projects, but the taxpayer picks up the tab.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 5 December 2002, link
“Blair comes on all pseudo-Tory and says it is time to end the “monolith” of NHS provision. Gordon defends the monolith with the fundamentalist fervour of a mullah protecting that big black cube at Mecca.”

Boris Johnson, The Telegraph, 7 November 2002, link
 
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/11/1...t-properly-on-accountable-care-organisations/

Jeremy Hunt wanting to implement Accountable Care Organisations who are private companues running major parts of the NHS.

It's privatisation through the backdoor. The NHS is not up for sale but the N is and the H is and the S is but not the NHS.

Here's an idea: keep cutting NHS services until its on its knees. Then tell the public that state ownership is a failure and private healthcare could do so much better.
 
And what they don't mention when saying "the kind of insurance-based schemes they have on the Continent" etc. is that we already do that.
The health insurance market in the UK is huge - many people have private health insurance and go to private GPs and private hospitals for treatment.
But for those who cannot afford it, there is a national health service too.

Thing is, Boris and his chums will all have private health cover, none of them will use the NHS for anything routine. This is why they don't care about it and would prefer to cut tax so their investments pay higher dividends, making them richer.

It's the sames with schools, railways, police - they hardly touch the publicly funded services themselves, so don't care how bad they get. Any failure of a public service is an opportunity for a business to make more money.
 
Buffoon Johnson has asked Trump not to say he supports Boris.

Trump is on a visit UK

The Cons are praying he keeps his mouth shut.

"Trump threatens to use US trade talks to force NHS to pay more for drugs"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/

"Donald Trump is ready to use trade talks to force the National Health Service to pay more for its drugs as part of his scheme to "put American patients first”.

Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense."
 

Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense."

I wonder how those that constantly moan about British "freeloaders" scrounging off the wellfare state feel to learn that the whole country, them included, is a freeloader.

Next time you're picking up a prescription, refuse to pay the heavily discounted rate of £9 and pay what Americans pay.
 
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/11/1...t-properly-on-accountable-care-organisations/

Jeremy Hunt wanting to implement Accountable Care Organisations who are private companues running major parts of the NHS.

It's privatisation through the backdoor. The NHS is not up for sale but the N is and the H is and the S is but not the NHS.
Hardly surprising...

The Hunt (sic) inherited his parliamentary seat from his Auntie, Virginia Bottomley...

Both have been Health Secretary...

Both have extensive links/investments in private healthcare...

But apparently the NHS isn't for sale :rolleyes:
 
The Hunt (sic) inherited his parliamentary seat from his Auntie, Virginia Bottomley...

Both have been Health Secretary...

Both have extensive links/investments in private healthcare...

But apparently the NHS isn't for sale :rolleyes:


Bit tenuous, all I can find on Hunt is that he had investments in a hedge fund, the hedge fund in turn had some investments in private healthcare firms. To describe that as 'having extensive links' is disingenuous to say the least. Where does your pension provider have all it's money invested?
 
Where does your pension provider have all it's money invested?
It's all 'in house' :)

And that's where the tory 'family' keep theirs - only theirs is in the unethical wing!

Edit: Hunt has also received many donations from healthcare firms, but the real money comes after office...

You just have to look at what the donations bought bottomley after she handed on that tory safe seat!

(she's a director of BUPA whom she lobbied for whilst in office!)
 
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"On Tuesday morning in London, Republicans were reportedly paying $50,000 to have a photo taken with Donald Trump. Boris Johnson would have paid at least that much not to have one.

The UK prime minister is doing everything possible to avoid the US president during this week’s Nato summit. While Mr Trump advanced on London, Mr Johnson fled to Salisbury, 78 miles away.

It was like when the Russian army abandoned Moscow in order to escape Napoleon. That is, tactically, Mr Johnson played a blinder.

If Prince Andrew had distanced himself this much from a dodgy US billionaire he’d still be on royal duties."



https://www.ft.com/content/d9dede10-15ed-11ea-8d73-6303645ac406
 
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