Knife Crime

[festive]

I think you missed the point.

The question you need to ask is, how do we create a society where people don't need or want to do this?

No you've missed the point. Answer the question then how do you deal with this person, come on.

 

[Notch7]

shall ask again if you believe sentencing isn't a deterrent, what would you do?

Where did I say sentencing isnt a deterrent?

 

[EFLImpudence]

As far as the present spate of knife crime is concerned, if it is (drug) gang related (and not single nutters picking random victims) then a reduction in this type of crime is unlikely whatever the policies because the stabbed, if killed, and the stabber, if incarcerated, will just be replaced by other similar-minded people.

If it is the case that it is criminals killing each other, then I doubt the authorities are that bothered.

 

[festive]

Where did I say sentencing isnt a deterrent?

How about here...

Jesus wept, how kin dumb are you people.

America decided to get tough on crime, incarceration increased from 200,000 prisoners to 2 million.
Crime dropped by 0

Go on Festive explain to me how that proves harsher sentences reduces crime.

You are implying it right here. If you're not what's your point. I'll repeat the question again. How would you treat a criminal who's just left your wife/family daughter mentally scarred how do you protect society from it happening again.

And I will answer your question it depends on what amount to harsher sentencing but ultimately we cannot allow someone unable to adapt to a civilised peaceful way of life without harming others cannot be allowed to repeat offend or even have the chance to. If a harsher longer sentence means he ends up too old to do the same again then so be it.

 

[JohnD]

If it is the case that it is criminals killing each other, then I doubt the authorities are that bothered.

Yes, many right-wing extremists, and people without a social conscience, feel that way.

Look back at Mottie, who has no objection to rampant crime throughout our prisons corrupting the inmates and staff.

Let's suppose your grandson is sentenced for, say, causing death by dangerous driving, or laundering money through his bank account.

When he come out, he has lost several teeth and one eye; is addicted to crack cocaine; infected with Hepatitis and HIV, is violent, has lost respect for society and the law, and has learned that his future lies in gang membership and the illegal drug trade.

How has this benefitted the nation?

 

[transam]

Thinking about it

If there was no crime thousands of people would be out of work

Police
Forensic bods
Courts
Prison staff
Builders who build and maintain prisons
Admin

Blimey the list could go on

 

[Notch7]

How about here...


You are implying it right here. If you're not what's your point. I'll repeat the question again. How would you treat a criminal who's just left your wife/family daughter mentally scarred how do you protect society from it happening again.

And I will answer your question it depends on what amount to harsher sentencing but ultimately we cannot allow someone unable to adapt to a civilised peaceful way of life without harming others cannot be allowed to repeat offend or even have the chance to. If a harsher longer sentence means he ends up too old to do the same again then so be it.

Thank you for admitting you are wrong.

You are conflating 2 different things.

I made the argument that is backed up by evidence, which is that harsher sentences are not a deterrent.

You are saying that prisoners should not be allowed out if they are likely to reoffend. That is a different argument. The current system is failing in many ways, re offending rates are far too high, too many mistakes have been made by the probation service in releasing violent criminals.

This thread is about knife crime, that definitely wont be solved by harsher sentencing. These crimes need quick turnaround of court and The crimes need to be investigated, and need to be dealt with promptly, short court waiting times.

Long term, investment in poor areas, reduction in inequality, increasec opportunity, more youth centres, more community involvement.

And of course the drugs epidemic needs solving by either legalisation or taking back the streets.....

 

[transam]

Deterents?

How about retribution

How about punishment that fits the crime?

That boke who threw that little boy off of that building??

That bloke who killed tortured and raped that 6 year old girl in Scotland

Execute the scum bags

 

[Mottie]

Look back at Mottie, who has no objection to rampant crime throughout our prisons corrupting the inmates and staff.

Let's suppose your grandson is sentenced for, say, causing death by dangerous driving, or laundering money through his bank account.

When he come out, he has lost several teeth and one eye; is addicted to crack cocaine; infected with Hepatitis and HIV, is violent, has lost respect for society and the law, and has learned that his future lies in gang membership and the illegal drug trade.

I’d say that’s a bloody good deterrent of why you shouldn’t drive dangerously or launder money. What would you have for them - cushy bed? Three square meals? Sky TV? Internet?

Can’t do the time? Don’t do the crime!

 

[transam]

Put some if these scum. Bags on trial for there lives

See some of them squirm and beg

Let them experience the fear that they inflicted on others

 

[Ihavenojob]

which is that harsher sentences are not a deterrent.

If the penalty for drink driving was death, would you risk drink driving ?

 

[noseall]

If the penalty for drink driving was death, would you risk drink driving ?

You have just proved Notchy's conclusion is correct.

 

[Ihavenojob]

You have just proved Notchy's conclusion is correct.

How do you come to the conclusion that harsher sentences are no deterrent ?

 

[JohnD]

If the penalty for drink driving was death, would you risk drink driving ?

It already is, and has been for a hundred years. It hasn't stopped people doing it.

What do you think is the maximum penalty for smoking (applied to 50% of offenders)?

 

[Ihavenojob]

It already is, and has been for a hundred years. It hasn't stopped people doing it.

What do you think is the maximum penalty for smoking (applied to 50% of offenders)?

They are potential outcomes, not legally imposed sentences. You may as well ask "what is the maximum penalty for living a healthy life ?"