Petrol and diesel car sales ban brought forward to 2035

The oil industry is going to have to die out, not just in the UK but in the entire world. If you accept that there is global warming and man-made CO2 is the main cause there's no other option in the long run. Ok, not entirely as you need petrochemicals for making things, but more or less dead.

The 2035 thing is mostly just hot air. By then EVs should be cheaper to buy than petrol cars as well as cheaper to run and own (which they are right now). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens as by then they'll just be priced out so much there's no need to ban them.
 
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The 2035 thing is mostly just hot air. By then EVs should be cheaper to buy than petrol cars as well as cheaper to run and own (which they are right now). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens as by then they'll just be priced out so much there's no need to ban them.
Do you really think that EVs will not be taxed to raise the equivalent, or more, of the cost of petrol travel?
 
Surely they will get the same treatment as for jobs in the horseshoe industry, the typewriter business, the camera trade, and motorcycle manufacturing.

They had something else to diverse into.
 
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Do you really think that EVs will not be taxed to raise the equivalent, or more, of the cost of petrol travel?
The subsidies will melt away and they will start being taxed more. Perhaps even to the same level petrol and diesels are taxed now.

I don't think they'll ever be taxed as much as petrol though. I expect that to go up and up and up.
 
The oil industry is going to have to die out, not just in the UK but in the entire world. If you accept that there is global warming and man-made CO2 is the main cause there's no other option in the long run. Ok, not entirely as you need petrochemicals for making things, but more or less dead.

The 2035 thing is mostly just hot air. By then EVs should be cheaper to buy than petrol cars as well as cheaper to run and own (which they are right now). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens as by then they'll just be priced out so much there's no need to ban them.

As a fuel maybe, but the industry itself isn't going any time in the future.
 
As a fuel maybe, but the industry itself isn't going any time in the future.
I had a quick Google and something like 20% of oil is used for something other than fuel. So in the future the industry will be in the region of 80% smaller.

Not entirely dead, but massively less than now.
 
I had a quick Google and something like 20% of oil is used for something other than fuel. So in the future the industry will be in the region of 80% smaller.

Not entirely dead, but massively less than now.

Much better use for a precious resource. Using oil as fuel is pretty criminal TBF.
 
Pedantry time: you probably mean Ah or Wh. 6-7w would be enough to warm the cell by about a degree... :mrgreen:
No I don’t. The 18650 cells in early Teslas are based on the Panasonic NCR18650B. These can store 15w of power and push 4.3v, and 3.2Ah at 5A fully charged, as they drain the voltage drops to below 3v where they are considered empty, yet can still hold 6w of power. There are over 4000 in each car.
 
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The subsidies will melt away and they will start being taxed more. Perhaps even to the same level petrol and diesels are taxed now.

I don't think they'll ever be taxed as much as petrol though. I expect that to go up and up and up.
How will they tax them, with a road fund licence? It would be difficult to tax the fuel like they do with petrol, unless you have 2 meters, but even that would be doubtful.
 
No I don’t. The 18650 cells in early Teslas are based on the Panasonic NCR18650B. These can store 15w of power and push 4.3v, and 3.2Ah at 5A fully charged, as they drain the voltage drops to below 3v where they are considered empty, yet can still hold 6w of power. There are over 4000 in each car.
6w is 6 joules of energy for one second. Or enough energy to raise a cubic centimetre of water six degrees hotter. 15W is enough to heat a tablespoon of water a single degree.

Now, if you'd said 15Wh then that's 3,600 times as much power and you might be right.

Also, 4.3v X 3.2Ah = 13.6Wh.
 
It is 13.76W, but that aside, your equation is sort of correct but might not be.

For example, Motorbiking said the battery can supply 5A (21.5W) at 3.2Ah. That means it can do that for 38.4 minutes so your values would apply.
However, that does not necessarily mean it can supply 10A (43W) for 19.2 minutes or 2.5A (10.75W) for 76.8 minutes yet that would result in the same values - 3.2Ah and 15Wh.
 
It is 13.76W, but that aside, your equation is sort of correct but might not be.

For example, Motorbiking said the battery can supply 5A (21.5W) at 3.2Ah. That means it can do that for 38.4 minutes so your values would apply.
However, that does not necessarily mean it can supply 10A (43W) for 19.2 minutes or 2.5A (10.75W) for 76.8 minutes yet that would result in the same values - 3.2Ah and 15Wh.
...which takes us back to the fact that it is presumably a 15Wh battery. My pedantry is about unit confusion, which you also have (see my bolding). :D
 
I don't think so, if it is a 3.2Ah battery.

Either that or the same applies to your equation.
13.76W @ 4.3V = 3.2A for any time period.
 
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