Radio 4 documentary

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

i didn’t , your mate bobby did. he thinks you can brush stuff under the carpet by comparing it to worse stuff. i’d expected you to defend him .

Don't be ridiculous.
I was responding to transam highlighting one issue, when there are far worse similar issues been going on for years, with no-one, especially those like transam, not being bothered about it. I wonder why.

No-one is defending anyone. You just can't accept that you're being ridiculous.

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

Don't be ridiculous.
I was responding to transam highlighting one issue, when there are far worse similar issues been going on for years, with no-one, especially those like transam, not being bothered about it. I wonder why.

No-one is defending anyone. You just can't accept that you're being ridiculous.

he was referring specifically about gang grooming in rochdale.
you completely ignored the topic and changed it to something else so as not to acknowledge GANG GROOMING IN ROCHDALE. despite the fact you OBVIOUSLY know there have been countless documentaries over the years on various religious organisations .
you my friend are ridiculous.

 

[JP_]

Again? Same old story.
There are paedos everywhere, in all areas of society, but let's talk about the foreign ones in Rochdale, again.

If everybody put more effort, and investment, into helping the services that are set up to protect children, less abuse would happen. But it is easier to sit back and blame people while doing SFA.

https://www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk/
https://www.nspcc.org.uk/
https://www.childline.org.uk/
https://www.stopitnow.org.uk/

Go on, focus your energy, make a difference.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Don't be ridiculous.
I was responding to transam highlighting one issue, when there are far worse similar issues been going on for years, with no-one, especially those like transam, not being bothered about it. I wonder why.

No-one is defending anyone. You just can't accept that you're being ridiculous.

FGS.

Trans put it up because it was on the radio, at the time he was writing it.
Perhaps people would've wanted to have listened. Perhaps if there was a doc about the abuse in the church on radio he may have mentioned that too? But as it stood, there wasn't.

I think it's ridiculous of you to just say that it's insignificant compared to the abuse at the church, while also being incorrect about there not being documentaries about the church.

You're not very nice. I think all abuse is disgusting and no victims are insignificant.

 

[Brigadier]

well the stats from the time won't show all the ignored crime, such as the Croydon case I mentioned.

So what do you have in mind to do with your crime figures?

Well, you offered the question that

is it because, as a whole, the country wasn't interested and didn't care?

It is a matter of historical fact that paedophilia by both the Catholic Church, the councils you cited, and the Rochdale grooming gangs was ignored for years.

I know that these ignored cases wouldn't make it into the stats I was wondering about. That said...

Possibly.

If we had some data on crime figures across the period, and whether there was any change in the reporting / recording / prosecution of such, we could see how much merit your point has?

....and that data showed that prosecutions still went on, we might be able to see what the scale of the issue was, and perhaps who the perpetrators were.

 

[JohnD]

is it because, as a whole, the country wasn't interested and didn't care?

I think the answer is "yes" and the quoted examples support that opinion.

More than 20 years ago, I was a trustee of a local voluntary organisation. For some reason I mentioned child abuse in Catholic institutions to another trustee, who I didn't know happened to also be a trustee of a Catholic childrens institution.

He brushed it aside, saying "that sort of thing used to go on, but it doesn't happen any more"

We now know that 20 years ago it still did happen, and was being brushed under the carpet.

No doubt there are people today who say "that sort of thing used to go on, but it doesn't happen any more"

No doubt we will learn that they are wrong.

More recently I met another adult volunteer, who had been horribly abused in a Church boarding school, and is sadly scarred for life.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

FGS.

Trans put it up because it was on the radio, at the time he was writing it.
Perhaps people would've wanted to have listened. Perhaps if there was a doc about the abuse in the church on radio he may have mentioned that too? But as it stood, there wasn't.

I think it's ridiculous of you to just say that it's insignificant compared to the abuse at the church, while also being incorrect about there not being documentaries about the church.

You're not very nice. I think all abuse is disgusting and no victims are insignificant.

As far as I can tell, people like transam always put up the comments whenever the opportunity arises, about the grooming gangs in Rochdale, or any where else that ethnic minorities are concerned. But they never, ever refer to far worse abuse that has been going on for years.
Selective reporting, I believe it's called. Or as someone in politics termed it, a good day for bad news.
Keep dragging the attention to specific problems and hope that everyone forgets about the far worse problem that has been present for as long as anyone can remember.

Let's hope that most people can distinguish between the problem being insignificant in relation to a far worse problem, instead of your's and bennymultifinish's mis-interpretation of people being insignificant.

I believe one of your favorite expressions is 'learn to read'. You ought to try it sometime.
Perhaps I'll do a search, just on this forum, to see how many times gang grooming in places like Rochdale have been mentioned, and compare that to how many times sex abuse in religious institutions has been mentioned.
I suspect I already know the answer.

 

[EFLImpudence]

The Radio 4 programme was not about paedophilia so it would have been silly of Transam to mention the Church and care homes.

 

[dontbelieveawordofit]

Perhaps I'll do a search, just on this forum, to see how many times gang grooming in places like Rochdale have been mentioned, and compare that to how many times sex abuse in religious institutions has been mentioned.
I suspect I already know the answer.

probably the same , every time someone mentions grooming in places like rochdale you and your boyfriend come straight back about sex and abuse in religious institutions.

 

[sodthisforfun]

As far as I can tell, people like transam always put up the comments whenever the opportunity arises, about the grooming gangs in Rochdale, or any where else that ethnic minorities are concerned. But they never, ever refer to far worse abuse that has been going on for years.
Selective reporting, I believe it's called. Or as someone in politics termed it, a good day for bad news.
Keep dragging the attention to specific problems and hope that everyone forgets about the far worse problem that has been present for as long as anyone can remember.

Let's hope that most people can distinguish between the problem being insignificant in relation to a far worse problem, instead of your's and bennymultifinish's mis-interpretation of people being insignificant.

I believe one of your favorite expressions is 'learn to read'. You ought to try it sometime.
Perhaps I'll do a search, just on this forum, to see how many times gang grooming in places like Rochdale have been mentioned, and compare that to how many times sex abuse in religious institutions has been mentioned.
I suspect I already know the answer.

Oh I can read.

Pity they don't do a similar documentary about abuse and cover-up in religious organisations.
It would pale the gang grooming abuse into insignificance.

I can read your dismissive nature of the Rochdale case. I can read that you didn't engage, nor discuss what happened, nor even acknowledge/understand that he was putting up information for anyone who wished to listen to the show.. I can read that you're quick to judge Trans for posting it, accusing him for only putting that type of case up (quite incredible that you think you know him so well after being here for such a short while, eh Himmy). I can read that you got that wrong, I've known Trans to put up all sorts of injustices with the world regarding the exploitation of children. Another thing you've got it wrong, wishing that there were such programmes about the church when indeed there are if you'd so cared to look. I suspect you don't care about any of it, other than to have a go at Trans.

Why is it that people like you always try and downplay, distract what's happened with Rochdale? It's very strange and not at all helpful, trying to make it insignificant when it's still very much relevant. Selective reporting I think you call it.


Yep. As I said, you're not very nice.

 

[Brigadier]

is it because, as a whole, the country wasn't interested and didn't care?

I think the answer is "yes" and the quoted examples support that opinion.

More than 20 years ago, I was a trustee of a local voluntary organisation. For some reason I mentioned child abuse in Catholic institutions to another trustee, who I didn't know happened to also be a trustee of a Catholic childrens institution.

He brushed it aside, saying "that sort of thing used to go on, but it doesn't happen any more"

This person is not necessarily a good analogue for [the country, on the whole, not being interested:

More than 20 years ago, I was a trustee of a local voluntary organisation. For some reason I mentioned child abuse in Catholic institutions to another trustee, who I didn't know happened to also be a trustee of a Catholic childrens institution.

He brushed it aside, saying "that sort of thing used to go on, but it doesn't happen any more"

Not likely to have been seen as independent, this trustee. Worryingly as well, he "brushed it aside" (I stand to be corrected, but "brushing it aside" was the default response from the Catholic Church until very recently - it may still be, for all I know).........

The "information age" has probably made it seem like "the world" is more interested, and is more concerned with child abuse, than it once was. Perhaps though, that is more how it appears, than how it really was.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I can read your dismissive nature of the Rochdale case. I can read that you didn't engage, nor discuss what happened, nor even acknowledge/understand that he was putting up information for anyone who wished to listen to the show.. I can read that you're quick to judge Trans for posting it, accusing him for only putting that type of case up (quite incredible that you think you know him so well after being here for such a short while, eh Himmy). I can read that you got that wrong, I've known Trans to put up all sorts of injustices with the world regarding the exploitation of children. Another thing you've got it wrong, wishing that there were such programmes about the church when indeed there are if you'd so cared to look. I suspect you don't care about any of it, other than to have a go at Trans.

Why is it that people like you always try and downplay, distract what's happened with Rochdale? It's very strange and not at all helpful, trying to make it insignificant when it's still very much relevant. Selective reporting I think you call it.


Yep. As I said, you're not very nice.

You keep making these strawman arguments, such as, supposedly I consider the victims to be insignificant. No-one, least of all me, said that.
I'm supposed to be dismissive about the Rochdale case. No-one, least of all me, said that.
Yet you claim you can read.

What I said is that the Rochdale case, added to any other cases where ethnic minorities were involved, pales into insignificance compared to the vast number of abusers in religious institutions.
I don't know how many victims of gang grooming there have been, suppose we assume about 100 victims, most of whom were considered as adults.
There's been way more than that, at least 10 times that amount of abusers in religious institutions, (probably that number of abusers in some countries) never mind the number of victims, most of whom were children.
Yet people like transam persistently raise the issue of gang grooming, and quietly ignore the abuse in religious institutions.

You think transam is genuinely concerned about the victims. I think transam is more concerned with complaining about foreigners, at each and every opportunity.
You think my appraisal of transam is wrong. I think you're deluded.

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[sodthisforfun]

You keep making these strawman arguments, such as, supposedly I consider the victims to be insignificant. No-one, least of all me, said that.
I'm supposed to be dismissive about the Rochdale case. No-one, least of all me, said that.
Yet you claim you can read.

What I said is that the Rochdale case, added to any other cases where ethnic minorities were involved, pales into insignificance compared to the vast number of abusers in religious institutions.
I don't know how many victims of gang grooming there have been, suppose we assume about 100 victims, most of whom were considered as adults.
There's been way more than that, at least 10 times that amount of abusers in religious institutions, (probably that number of abusers in some countries) never mind the number of victims, most of whom were children.
Yet people like transam persistently raise the issue of gang grooming, and quietly ignore the abuse in religious institutions.

You think transam is genuinely concerned about the victims. I think transam is more concerned with complaining about foreigners, at each and every opportunity.
You think my appraisal of transam is wrong. I think you're deluded.

You've never been man enough to admit you've made a mistake.