Germany, however....
Covid......... easy to protect yourself.
- Thread starter gasbanni
- Start date
Germany, however....
Oh yes,
NZ - 25 deaths (Notch-given figure)
Germany - 10000 deaths (source: Worldometer)
NZ - 25 deaths (Notch-given figure)
Germany - 10000 deaths (source: Worldometer)
As you say, Germany, a developed, European country, larger, similar demographics, and with a larger population and more travellers, but a well-funded, organised and equipped health system, has less than a quarter the number of death in the UK.
But comparing Germany to the UK is very instructive.
Perhaps the UK only has 10,000 actual covid deaths.
If only someone knew the real figure.
If only someone knew the real figure.
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2018
- Messages
- 523
- Reaction score
- 106
- Country
China only has 4600 deaths , that must be really safe given its size/population?
Is China a developed, European country, larger, similar demographics, and with a larger population and more travellers, but a well-funded, organised and equipped health system?
or is it strikingly different from the UK in many fundamental ways, including culture, behaviour, government and institutions?
or is it strikingly different from the UK in many fundamental ways, including culture, behaviour, government and institutions?
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2018
- Messages
- 523
- Reaction score
- 106
- Country
it is a country with some extremely dense populated areas, one might reasonably expect their figure to be much higher. The problem is, it is not particularly transparent how any given country records its categorizes a Covid death vs a death from another illness. The only comparable data would be from something like ONS excess deaths but even that doesn't paint a clear picture given increase suicide etc and also many countries do not carry out such rigorous analysis as ONS. My point is it is comparing eggs with apples. also if the deaths are based on culture and behavior should you blame their governments?
I think the ONS methodology is pretty good on Covid deaths.
Yes
Based on reading carefully the ONS methodology
And having given due consideration to the difficulty of deciding primary cause, which in the elderly can be difficult, given they often have a number of pre-conditions
But of course you are welcome to be a sarcastic tw@t and assume I used the word "think" without basing it on knowledge.
Those that believe the pandemic is a scam often try and claim Covid death figures are vastly over blown.
Based on reading carefully the ONS methodology
And having given due consideration to the difficulty of deciding primary cause, which in the elderly can be difficult, given they often have a number of pre-conditions
But of course you are welcome to be a sarcastic tw@t and assume I used the word "think" without basing it on knowledge.
Those that believe the pandemic is a scam often try and claim Covid death figures are vastly over blown.
I know I have hit the back of the net, when the ad hominems begin
So, you believe nothing except the bit that supports your position; confirmation bias right there
Unlike you, I didn't propose comparing UK results with China.
I did, however, say that comparing UK and Germany was instructive.
It still is.
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2018
- Messages
- 523
- Reaction score
- 106
- Country
Could you confirm exactly what parameters Germany uses if a Covid death is recorded as such? I know our system was initially just that Covid19 had to be mentioned on the death certificate. If a person in Germany died from a blood clot would they be classed as a Covid death if it was confirmed 2 months previous for example? Probably not, Hence you cannot compare one nation with another unless all the stats are compiled in a harmonized way. ONS excess deaths would be a good comparison but even that would not pinpoint actual Covid deaths and many nations do not record such statistics in such a precise way
No.
But I think the "excess deaths" charts are a better indictor of the true toll across different regimes.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...VgeLmCh1QtQ2yEAAYASAAEgJBs_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Whichever way you count, can you see a major, developed, Western European nation that has done worse than UK?
It's noteworth that Spain, which has done nearly as badly as UK, is another European nation with a frugal approach to healthcare.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...lthcare-compared-with-its-international-peers
But I think the "excess deaths" charts are a better indictor of the true toll across different regimes.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...VgeLmCh1QtQ2yEAAYASAAEgJBs_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Whichever way you count, can you see a major, developed, Western European nation that has done worse than UK?
It's noteworth that Spain, which has done nearly as badly as UK, is another European nation with a frugal approach to healthcare.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...lthcare-compared-with-its-international-peers
- Joined
- 1 Sep 2018
- Messages
- 523
- Reaction score
- 106
- Country
IF there is a real difference then maybe you have provided your own answer to this quandary already? The Germans are know to be very disciplined people after all.
Thing is, everybody that needed a ventilator in the UK got one and the doctors/nurses and knowledge base was all very similar.
