Great news on the vaccine!!

[durhamplumber]

Great news about the vaccine.Fingers crossed..Stock Mkts gone up...The commies wil be well cheesed off on here...Hoping for UK to fall off economic cliff forever..

 

[ellal]

It was interesting that in borisconi's 'address' a member of the military was there who said that the army was 'assisting' in the testing process in Liverpool...

A foretaste of things to come when 'assistance' is needed to 'administer' the vaccine?

I'm no anti vaxxer, but I won't be queuing up to have this 'miracle' jab anytime soon!

And one also has to wonder how this 'miracle' jab came about so quickly, with the accompanying sudden gain in the value of stocks that the billionaires/corporates bought at low values

Imagine how many people could have been saved if the same apparent effort/money had been injected into research towards all the other diseases around the world that kill far more people than the 'virus'...

But I guess there is always money to be made by a few from the misery of the vast majority!

 

[IT Minion]

The really good news is that almost all of the productive vaccines in progress use the same technique to create the protection so we may well end up with several viable vaccines.

Should we need to modify and adapt during a "season" or for each season it will give more flexibility.

Not quite, this one is mRNA, which is brand spanking new. The Oxford one is a more traditional vaccine.

In theory mRNA should be easier to tweak apparently but it's a new one on me.

 

[SirGalahad]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-effective-pfizer-biontech

BioNTech, the small biotechnology company that is the originator of the vaccine, was founded by two married German scientists, Uğur Şahin and Özlem Türeci, both born to Turkish immigrant parents, and the Austrian oncologist Christopher Huber. It originally set out to develop new types of immunotherapy for cancer, but has concentrated its capacities on the race for a Covid-19 vaccine.

Bloody Immigrants.

 

[IT Minion]

How will this be managed though?
For instance, presumably the vaccine is intended to allow a return to normal life.
Which must be to some extent dependent on actually having been vaccinated?
If so, you'd logically have to prove so?

Once you've got healthcare workers and a decent amount of the older population vaccinated then it's less risky having it going viral in the youth.

I'd expect that measures similar to tier 3 would be needed until all the OAPs and vulnerable are covered and then the measures get relaxed.

Given recent history there'll be a third wave at that point with lots of infections but much fewer hospitalised and dead 30 somethings.

 

[SirGalahad]

Once you've got healthcare workers and a decent amount of the older population vaccinated then it's less risky having it going viral in the youth.

I'd expect that measures similar to tier 3 would be needed until all the OAPs and vulnerable are covered and then the measures get relaxed.

Given recent history there'll be a third wave at that point with lots of infections but much fewer hospitalised and dead 30 somethings.

GPs will be rolling out the vaccine under their DES contracts which they are still negotiating.

 

[Trazor]

Imagine how many people could have been saved if the same apparent effort/money had been injected into research towards all the other diseases around the world that kill far more people than the 'virus'...

Perhaps you forgot the millions and millions of people saved by these 14 vaccines...........https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

 

[mitch66]

.... boyo.

Where have I heard that before?

 

[Dangee]

Boris did really getting the 40 mill doses Elle. Didn't he.

 

[SirGalahad]

Where have I heard that before?

https://www.diynot.com/diy/search/151110829/?q=boyo&o=relevance&c[node]=25

Take your pick. Sherlock.

 

[IT Minion]

GPs will be rolling out the vaccine under their DES contracts which they are still negotiating.

GPs don't have the bandwidth for this. Apparently it also needs to be supercooled which makes delivering it more awkward.

I'd expect hospitals and something like the drive in test centers to be used for delivery.

 

[IT Minion]

Perhaps you forgot the millions and millions of people saved by these 14 vaccines...........https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

What's really fun is that the mRNA stuff is cutting edge and is thought to be useful for all sorts of viruses and diseases that weren't previously practical to create vaccines for.

Cancer also gets mentioned in some articles but it's beyond my understanding of the mechanics of it all.

 

[SirGalahad]

GPs don't have the bandwidth for this. Apparently it also needs to be supercooled which makes delivering it more awkward.

I'd expect hospitals and something like the drive in test centers to be used for delivery.

Yep cooled to -70 I think and also to take on the work they want them to be open even longer. They are setting them up to be the fall guy. Also you need counselling when adminstering the dose.

 

[ellal]

"Safety has still to be proved, the jab's ability to stop transmission rather than just prevent disease is not yet known, how long immunity lasts is uncertain, and whether it works with older people is still to be confirmed."

So not a 'miracle' just yet then...

Although this 'virus' really did come just over four years too late!

 

[Dangee]

Great news though e. Hasn't Boris done well.