Better than a No Deal or not?

[Vinty]

What you have to understand is that this is part of the slow erosion of democracy (what little there is of it) in the UK.
Allow as little little time for analysis as possible on a deal negotiated by unelected 'advisors' and UKcrats!

It's the same with the emergency legislation.
Reviewed every 6 months with a maximum of 90 minutes allowed for debate.
I say 'debate', but the speaker said at the last 'review' that he was concerned but did nothing about it.

The minutia of our lives is now being ruled/ruined by decree!

But as to the deal, it's of course a worse one than we had.

Take that red herring, fishing.
After the five years transition, 'the UK and EU will regularly negotiate on access to each other's waters'
So that's when UK fishermen will realise that nothing will really change as any agreement follows the money of the rich owners!

A small crumb is on healthcare. EHIC cards will be valid until expiry.
Surely people will have heard of the possibility of this and renewed this year, thus giving cover to end of 2024 and planned accordingly?
After that the government is planning a "UK Global Health Insurance Card".
Which should someone wish to experience the 'luxury' of a holiday, then no doubt that rather than a free system the cost will be probably be more than the average person's yearly EU contribution!

Erasmus has been withdrawn from, no doubt in order to keep more money rolling in to the UK's privatised universities and the UK economy rather than EU funding helping out students.
Thus allowing the experience for a foreign education for UK citizens to become only for the rich.
(Although those from N.I. will still be able to benefit - another 'border' down the Irish sea?)

But hey, the tories have never liked the European 'social model' because it tries to level the playing field!

Keir Starmer instucted his MPs to vote for this deal even though he hasn't read it yet.
Whats that all about then.

 

[Mottie]

A small crumb is on healthcare. EHIC cards will be valid until expiry.
Surely people will have heard of the possibility of this and renewed this year, thus giving cover to end of 2024 and planned accordingly?

Couldnt give a flying one about the EHIC. I’ve never used the services of a nationalised health care system when abroad. If I was on holiday and needed emergency health care, I’d just want to be taken to the nearest hospital or medical centre that could treat me regardless of cost as the insurance will be paying and not have to shop around for a 'free' treatment centre which may be miles away. It’s not exactly expensive - here’s a quote I got for annual travel insurance in Europe for a single person starting on Jan 1st when we are out of Europe. Less than a pound a month. If someone can’t afford that, they shouldn’t really be going abroad.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Keir Starmer instucted his MPs to vote for this deal even though he hasn't read it yet.
Whats that all about then.

It's about passing the blame 100% onto the Tory Party, for any problems the deal causes. Nu Labour taking no responsibility.

 

[Notch7]

It's about passing the blame 100% onto the Tory Party, for any problems the deal causes. Nu Labour taking no responsibility.

What do you mean "passing the blame 100% onto the Tory party"

The Brexit clusterfluck is a 100% Tory creation.
There is no blame to pass.

Please ensure you remember that when prices go up and businesses close.

Don't try blaming Labour, EU, remainers, Covid or any other excuse.

You voted for it, you own it

 

[noseall]

It's about passing the blame 100% onto the Tory Party

Passing?

The Tory Feckwits own Brexit outright.

Get Brexit Done, lol.

 

[ellal]

Couldnt give a flying one about the EHIC. I’ve never used the services of a nationalised health care system when abroad. If I was on holiday and needed emergency health care, I’d just want to be taken to the nearest hospital or medical centre that could treat me regardless of cost as the insurance will be paying and not have to shop around for a 'free' treatment centre which may be miles away. It’s not exactly expensive - here’s a quote I got for annual travel insurance in Europe for a single person starting on Jan 1st when we are out of Europe. Less than a pound a month. If someone can’t afford that, they shouldn’t really be going abroad.

The reason why at the moment the cost of travel health insurance for the EU is relatively low is because of the cover provided by the EHIC card.
What happens when you include the US in a quote - oh that's right, it goes up!
Also most insurances don't cover fully covid related issues, whilst EHIC does.

In addition most health insurance policies have a time limit, whereas EHIC doesn't.
So in future all those kids wishing to take a lengthy trip around Europe will not only have to pay an exorbitant fee for healthcare, but if a trip is longer than 90 days organise visas (at extra cost), and also of course not be able to get casual work along the way.

You are not only stupid but also selfish

I wonder what your grand kids will think about your decision?

 

[JP_]

"It’s early days but one weird thing: It’s as if all the ‘Let’s Go WTO’ or ‘We want an Australia-style deal’ insistence never happened. History suggests that the next chapter will see everyone who insisted they wanted ‘no deal’ move seamlessly to celebrating the avoidance of it." @mrjamesob

 

[transam]

What do you mean "passing the blame 100% onto the Tory party"

The Brexit clusterfluck is a 100% Tory creation.
There is no blame to pass.

Please ensure you remember that when prices go up and businesses close.

Don't try blaming Labour, EU, remainers, Covid or any other excuse.

You voted for it, you own it

er no

cameron went to the EU before any referendum and attempted to get some concessions / changes

the EU (French) said NO

consequence of that is now brexit

 

[JP_]

the EU (French) said NO

What do you mean by this? Why are you blaming the French? The draft reform proposals were written by the European Council, not the "French".

Of course, the tabloids are all blaming the French for the Brexit deal, which the Tories spent the last 4 years negotiating....

 

[Notch7]

er no

cameron went to the EU before any referendum and attempted to get some concessions / changes

the EU (French) said NO

consequence of that is now brexit

Brexit was enabled by emotive slogans, gaslighting and lies.

The consequence is now Tories and their mates will be better off.

 

[Mottie]

What happens when you include the US in a quote - oh that's right, it goes up!

Why are you even mentioning the US when talking about your precious EHIC FFS? Okay, you have a EHIC - what do you need to cover you for a health emergency in the US? Do you get a discount outside the EU? Is the EHIC of any use whatsoever outside the US? Please answer rather than clam up.

BTW, here’s a quote for worldwide cover including Covid. An extra tenner. Big deal!

 

[transam]

What do you mean by this? Why are you blaming the French? The draft reform proposals were written by the European Council, not the "French".

Of course, the tabloids are all blaming the French for the Brexit deal, which the Tories spent the last 4 years negotiating....

blame the French , the French did the brexit campaign a favour

jeez us wept

the UK a founder member of Nato

2 world wars

Korea

permanent member of the security council at the UN

and what we could not even set a tampon tax (vat) because the EU said so


EU = French , have u not worked that out yet

yep they had there wings clipped in this deal , macron will be fuming

hes a b*** end any way

 

[Mottie]

The consequence is now Tories and their mates will be better off.

That’s okay then.

 

[transam]

Brexit was enabled by emotive slogans, gaslighting and lies.

The consequence is now Tories and their mates will be better off.

well yes

thats politics for u

tis the way it is and always has been , self interest etc ect

buffoon Johnson will be out on his arris eventually as he reaps the seeds that he has sown

(back stabbing)

 

[Brigadier]

Re: fishing.
I keep hearing that, if it is only 0.1% of UK GDP, why "is Boris fussing so much over it"?
I have looked (but cannot find) what the %age of GDP is, for fishing for the remainder of the EU. I doubt it is anything other than similarly inconsequential.
That being so, why too were the EU fussing so much over it as well? If they weren't bothered, they would have just given whatever the UK asked for........