Saga cruises

[ReganAndCarter]

That's not right. We don't know if it does nothing, slows spread or stops it completely. We don't know yet, because it takes a long time to work that out.

Surely they tested it to find out before releasing it? So there's doubts about it's level of protection and whether it stops transmission or not. I see the urgency of the situation, but there just too many grey areas to be considering having this vaccine now and probably for a good while yet.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Great reset in action? Just the start.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...pubs-england-still-awaiting-1000-covid-grants

 

[Mottie]

Great reset in action? Just the start.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...pubs-england-still-awaiting-1000-covid-grants

What’s that got to do with Saga cruises?

 

[IT Minion]

Surely they tested it to find out before releasing it? So there's doubts about it's level of protection and whether it stops transmission or not. I see the urgency of the situation, but there just too many grey areas to be considering having this vaccine now and probably for a good while yet.

No, because it's not that important to know it. So no one ever tries to get that information in any trials for vaccines ahead of approval.

Being too afraid to take action when there's enough information is dangerous and, especially in the case of vaccines, leads to deaths.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

That's not right. We don't know if it does nothing, slows spread or stops it completely. We don't know yet, because it takes a long time to work that out.

The more are injected, the bigger the sample providing data and the longer the period, the more accurate the overall data becomes. For now, all they know (when I last showed interest) was that it made a very appreciable difference to both the risk of catching it and if you did catch it the symptoms were very much less severe. They seemed less sure about it's ability to stop transmission by those injected, but if everyone is injected there will be less effect on the general population. Generally, only those who refused the jab will get the serious symptoms and risk dying, as I personally don't know anyone who would refuse it - I doubt I will miss any friends or relatives long term.

That so far as I am concerned is good enough for me, once offered the jab I will certainly be accepting the offer.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The more are injected, the bigger the sample providing data and the longer the period, the more accurate the overall data becomes. For now, all they know (when I last showed interest) was that it made a very appreciable difference to both the risk of catching it and if you did catch it the symptoms were very much less severe. They seemed less sure about it's ability to stop transmission by those injected, but if everyone is injected there will be less effect on the general population. Generally, only those who refused the jab will get the serious symptoms and risk dying, as I personally don't know anyone who would refuse it - I doubt I will miss any friends or relatives long term.

That so far as I am concerned is good enough for me, once offered the jab I will certainly be accepting the offer.

So it reduces the mortality rate, and reduces the pressure on the NHS. But it does not, on its own eradicate the virus. Those vaccinated should continue to behave as though they are infected, adopting all the usual other measures, for the foreseeable future.

 

[JP_]

This is why many people in the Far East were still wearing masks before covid hit - having lived through SARS they knew it was still out there somewhere. These viruses have a habit of resurfacing, especially as no vaccine was ever made

 

[Brigadier]

This is why many people in the Far East were still wearing masks before covid hit - having lived through SARS they knew it was still out there somewhere. These viruses have a habit of resurfacing, especially as no vaccine was ever made

Mask-wearing in the far-east goes back waaaay further than SARS.

 

[JP_]

Oh yeah, all the way back to the Spanish Flu - some people do learn from history. Probably explains why they have managed better than most.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

What’s that got to do with Saga cruises?

Not a lot, but the thread is more about Covid than life on the high seas. Thought the 'Spoons link was worth highlighting, but not worthy of it's own thread. Just an indication of how, strangely, never ending lockdowns are benefitting big business at the expense of small business. It was predicted that business failures will be an ideal opportunity for the better financed big boys to grab businesses and assets at bargain basement prices, as Wetherspoons and Greene King are now starting to do. Tim Martin was quite outspoken about lockdowns initially, but recently has gone strangely quiet. He's friends with Johnson who has possibly impressed on him the long term gains to be had, buying up failed pubs and poss pub cos for a song, either for his expansion or for bargain price property acquisition. Many laughed when others highlighted the dangers, but Martin and Greene King are now showing it wasn't just people's imagination.

Big business is flourishing in lockdown. Every few minutes there seems to be a shiny new electric (how much do those things cost?) Amazon van in the street delivering to someone. This increased presence is a very recent phenomenon.

Bet you wish you'd never asked.

 

[Brigadier]

Oh yeah, all the way back to the Spanish Flu - some people do learn from history. Probably explains why they have managed better than most.

You'll probably find that it would have gone back to a point when face-coverings were commonly-available.
If we'd had them in the middle-ages, they'd have been worn by some or other.

 

[JP_]

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

So it reduces the mortality rate, and reduces the pressure on the NHS. But it does not, on its own eradicate the virus. Those vaccinated should continue to behave as though they are infected, adopting all the usual other measures, for the foreseeable future.

All that really matters, is the overall effect on this country and its economy. Eradication is the lesser issue at the moment.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

All that really matters, is the overall effect on this country and its economy. Eradication is the lesser issue at the moment.

I fully agree. That is why the emphasis ought to be on reducing the virus by the proven methods, that of social distancing, masks, lockdowns, etc.
These measures will still be required after everyone has been vaccinated, because the vaccination does not stop the infection, it merely reduces its effect on those infected, not withstanding that effect is extremely important. It will reduce the pressure on the NHS allowing some semblance of normal service to be resumed.

 

[Trazor]

Big business is flourishing in lockdown. Every few minutes there seems to be a shiny new electric (how much do those things cost?) Amazon van in the street delivering to someone. This increased presence is a very recent phenomenon.

That is because more people are shopping online, rather than run the risk of shopping inside of shops.

Find a 12 year, old they will explain it to you.

Are you Sooey in disguise.