That is excess deaths,that isn’t Covid deaths lol
Care to tell us how 80,000 excess deaths occurred last year.
Do you know of another means why they died?
Someone is lying...
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Care to tell us how 80,000 excess deaths occurred last year.
Do you know of another means why they died?
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Influenza is a nightmare.
So again you have no sensible answer.
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Maybe the death rate is not due to the quality of healthcare available, or the demographics of the country, but simply how much the virus is allowed to spread.
Remember, we started out talking about herd immunity, shaking hands, not shutting down, just being careful - then it was only when it became apparent that it was much worse than thought, we took action. We were still working, and Boris Johnson still shaking people's hands and not wearing a mask 2 months after other countries were in full lockdown. We even opened pubs again in June - that was total madness - "go and get drunk, take care, be sensible". What?
We seem to be trying to blame groups of people - obese, old, those with chronic health conditions, those living in more deprived areas, those that have had a hard life. It is not their fault.
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Alright then, discussing.
So, go back and discuss things with me that I actually posted, rather than things that I did not.
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You clearly haven't read my post at all, have you?
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I really did. Why do you think my comments are specifically about you and what you said?
Your comment just prompted me to carry on the discussion, it really is not an argument.
Because you have quoted me, then countered points - within the post - points that I have not made, on subjects that I have posted about.
If you want to carry on the discussion without a specific poster (reasonably) believing your post to be concerning them, do not quote them.
Yes. Funded health care systems make difficult strategic decisions (linked to budgetary constraints) year in year out. This leads to some services receiving more £££ per patient than others. Therefore, whilst not the explicit intention of strategy or policy, it can be asserted a life does have an associated value. Not something anyone wants to admit, least of all governments and organisations of.
That is a sensible answer
The same as Sir Simon Stevens saying that we could have a joint Covid and flu vaccine.
I wonder why??
Because it is nothing more than a severe strain of the flu.
you only have to look at the world health organisation to see that they are almost exactly the same.
The only difference being supposedly the speed of transmission.
Mind you it was said that apparently this new strain of Covid could mean the symptoms they say such as a loss of taste/smell could not happen.
So basically the flu
Also an extract from the world Heath organisation page:-
Those most at risk for severe influenza infection are children, pregnant women, elderly, those with underlying chronic medical conditions and those who are immunosuppressed. For COVID-19, our current understanding is that older age and underlying conditions increase the risk for severe infection.
So basically for Covid they say older age (flu-elderly) Covid underlying conditions (flu-chronic medical conditions)
So basically exactly the same just a different wording used.
The only difference in the two are children.
Influenza is a nightmare.
Is it normal to have 000s of flu deaths every year? Yes. Is it normal to have 000s of flu deaths between March and December? I'll save you hours of painstaking research... Nope!
Worst since WWII... The ONS is at pains to avoid that comparison for obvious reasons (excuses from deniers on here): population, wider overseas travel etc. But the spokesman said, and I'm paraphrasing
, "Only the terminally dim or hard-of-thinking can avoid the truth- It's Covid what done it." When Vallance was saying at the start that 20k deaths would be a good outcome, he referenced an expectation of 8k due to flu per year.
So your saying there isn’t 100s of flu deaths a year? What is the number you refer to as 000s?Is it normal to have 000s of flu deaths every year? Yes. Is it normal to have 000s of flu deaths between March and December? I'll save you hours of painstaking research... Nope!
Worst since WWII... The ONS is at pains to avoid that comparison for obvious reasons (excuses from deniers on here): population, wider overseas travel etc. But the spokesman said, and I'm paraphrasing
When Vallance was saying at the start that 20k deaths would be a good outcome, he referenced an expectation of 8k due to flu per year.
Please remember Covid death figures are despite massive govt intervention.
They would've been higher without intervention, quite possibly lower if this govt didn't use emergency Covid legislation for an opportunity to give out money to mates.
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