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No, it has been explained on numerous occasions. You are trolling.
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No, it has been explained on numerous occasions. You are trolling.
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Please be clear: it is “some” media personalities, not all.
And whilst you might be totally anti drugs and want them kept illegal, it’s not that straightforward.
It's a funny thing that antivaxxers like to deny that they are antivaxxers.
"I agree that vaccines save the lives of millions" they say
"I agree that HPV immunisation cuts cancer in women"
"I agree that Measles can kill, or cause blindness, and that vaccination has almost wiped it out"
"I agree that Smallpox was a mass killer, and was eradicated by mass vaccination"
"I agree that Polio terrified parents in my lifetime, and is now within reach of eradication thanks to vaccination"
"I agree that vaccination saves millions and is a boon to mankind"
"I admit that the MMR scare was a hoax made up by a crook for his own benefit and publicised by dishonest media to sell newspapers"
"But, just at the time that there is a potentially fatal and highly infectious disease sweeping the world and filling graveyards everywhere, I read some made-up story on the interweb written by a troll plumber, and I have decided to campaign against vaccination"
What were the odds, eh?
"I agree that vaccines save the lives of millions" they say
"I agree that HPV immunisation cuts cancer in women"
"I agree that Measles can kill, or cause blindness, and that vaccination has almost wiped it out"
"I agree that Smallpox was a mass killer, and was eradicated by mass vaccination"
"I agree that Polio terrified parents in my lifetime, and is now within reach of eradication thanks to vaccination"
"I agree that vaccination saves millions and is a boon to mankind"
"I admit that the MMR scare was a hoax made up by a crook for his own benefit and publicised by dishonest media to sell newspapers"
"But, just at the time that there is a potentially fatal and highly infectious disease sweeping the world and filling graveyards everywhere, I read some made-up story on the interweb written by a troll plumber, and I have decided to campaign against vaccination"
What were the odds, eh?
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My posts on the subject of vaccine deaths were deleted before I could see any replies. I'd be grateful if you would post, again, the lies I have told and why they are lies AND simultaneously send me the post in a private message - I might have more chance of seeing it then.
Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question I asked Denso.
Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question I asked Denso.
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tell me, what led you to say to yourself:
"at the time that there is a potentially fatal and highly infectious disease sweeping the world and filling graveyards everywhere, I read some made-up story on the interweb written by a troll plumber, and I have decided to campaign against vaccination"
is it because you crave attention?
D
Deleted member 18243
Denso you haven't replied quoting my lies! I assume this is because either:
a) You haven't been on and seen my question
b) You replied fully on a thread that I didn't see and which has been deleted and you can't be bothered replying again
c) There are no lies
I can't believe it is a as you have been on the forum on other threads and it won't be c because you genuinely think I have lied. I'll go with b, and that being the case I will re-post the various differing vaccine death figures I've seen in the hope of starting an honest discussion, and also in the hope that it doesn't all get deleted again.
no sensible person wants to republish nonsense which has been contrived to spread uncertainty and doubt, and discourage the population from taking available precautions against severe illness and death.
Obviously I exclude you.
read this, to pass the time
"A coronavirus infection presents a much higher risk of developing a blood clot than a first dose of either the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer jab, a study has found.
The research used findings from more than 29 million people who were vaccinated with first doses of either jab.
The study showed although there was an increased risk of having a blood clot after having the first doses of either vaccine, it was much greater in someone who had tested positive for COVID-19.
The researchers are fully independent from the University of Oxford team that worked with AstraZeneca to develop that particular vaccine."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...us-than-from-the-vaccine-study-finds-12391224
"A coronavirus infection presents a much higher risk of developing a blood clot than a first dose of either the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer jab, a study has found.
The research used findings from more than 29 million people who were vaccinated with first doses of either jab.
The study showed although there was an increased risk of having a blood clot after having the first doses of either vaccine, it was much greater in someone who had tested positive for COVID-19.
The researchers are fully independent from the University of Oxford team that worked with AstraZeneca to develop that particular vaccine."
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...us-than-from-the-vaccine-study-finds-12391224
had mine last week
felt tired for a few days with aching joints
it was Pfizer, the first two were AstraZeneca.
Boosters are now being offered at three months, to everybody, to increase resistance levels as infections are likely to increase in winter, and with the new variant coming.
felt tired for a few days with aching joints
it was Pfizer, the first two were AstraZeneca.
Boosters are now being offered at three months, to everybody, to increase resistance levels as infections are likely to increase in winter, and with the new variant coming.
D
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1. I posted the MHRA Yellow Card site which reported that there had been 1,766* reported deaths shortly after the administration of a covid vaccine. Pro-vaxxers were quick to point out that these deaths will not necessarily have been caused by the vaccine. I accept this but I contend that some of them must be due to the vaccine, I just want to to know how many and for that information to be widely available and included in whatever consent form is given to vaccine recipients.
2. I posted the case of Matthew Dibble who, the report said, died from a brain haemorrhage induced by the vaccine.
3. I posted the case of Michelle Barlow, who the report said, died from complications and clotting due to the vaccine. Also in this report a pathologist is quoted as saying there have been 73 fatal cases of clotting.
4. Noseall, in a reply to my thread, stated "I believe there are less than ten deaths attributed to the vaccine. Incredible considering. Calpol is more dangerous than the vaccine". He did not post a link or any other evidence and his post is still there.
So, how many vaccine deaths have there been: 2; 10; 73 or 1,766? Let us have an honest discussion.
Nothing in the above is a lie on my part - it is all quoted from others. I have not, and will not re-post the links, in the hope that this post will not be deleted. The information is easy to find however.
*That number has increased a little since I originally mentioned it.
2. I posted the case of Matthew Dibble who, the report said, died from a brain haemorrhage induced by the vaccine.
3. I posted the case of Michelle Barlow, who the report said, died from complications and clotting due to the vaccine. Also in this report a pathologist is quoted as saying there have been 73 fatal cases of clotting.
4. Noseall, in a reply to my thread, stated "I believe there are less than ten deaths attributed to the vaccine. Incredible considering. Calpol is more dangerous than the vaccine". He did not post a link or any other evidence and his post is still there.
So, how many vaccine deaths have there been: 2; 10; 73 or 1,766? Let us have an honest discussion.
Nothing in the above is a lie on my part - it is all quoted from others. I have not, and will not re-post the links, in the hope that this post will not be deleted. The information is easy to find however.
*That number has increased a little since I originally mentioned it.
wrong.
how many such deaths occurred in a matching population of equal size, age and health that did not receive vaccine? I believe you are counting over 48 million people.
For purposes of comparison, how many covid-related deaths occurred after Covid infection in a matching population of equal size that did not receive vaccine?
And how many in one that did?
D
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None of that answers my question John, which is: how many people has the vaccine killed directly (as it did in the cases of Matthew Dibble and Michelle Barlow)?
your question seeks only to raise confusion and doubt, and to try to dissuade the citizens from using available protection against serious disease and death.
because you and I both know that the risk of death and severe illness from the disease, is vastly higher than from vaccination.
Is it a thousand times higher? Or a million? I don't know. But even if it was only a hundred times higher there would be no point in quibbling. And all you would do - all you have done - is throw the number around to try to create the idea that vaccines should be avoided.
Because you are an antivaxxer troll.
Why won't you answer my question?
tell me, what led you to say to yourself:
"at the time that there is a potentially fatal and highly infectious disease sweeping the world and filling graveyards everywhere, I read some made-up story on the interweb written by a troll plumber, and I have decided to campaign against vaccination"
is it because you crave attention?
because you and I both know that the risk of death and severe illness from the disease, is vastly higher than from vaccination.
Is it a thousand times higher? Or a million? I don't know. But even if it was only a hundred times higher there would be no point in quibbling. And all you would do - all you have done - is throw the number around to try to create the idea that vaccines should be avoided.
Because you are an antivaxxer troll.
Why won't you answer my question?
tell me, what led you to say to yourself:
"at the time that there is a potentially fatal and highly infectious disease sweeping the world and filling graveyards everywhere, I read some made-up story on the interweb written by a troll plumber, and I have decided to campaign against vaccination"
is it because you crave attention?
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