Ukraine Hits Russian based Fuel Depot

[motorbiking]

The first time Ukraine have attacked Russian assets on Russian Turf.

https://t.me/milinfolive/80140

 

[Mottie]

Seeing as Russia are depending on exporting gas and oil, I wondered why Ukraine hadn't tried something like this earlier.

 

[The Samaritan]

Thanks for the link.

 

[motorbiking]

more on the story https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...kyy-warns-of-battles-ahead-in-donbas-12579260

 

[just pumps]

Wouldnt put it past the Russians doing it then blaming Ukraine.

 

[ajohn]

Brief mention of something else hit there a couple of days ago. Both sides are capable of a different sort of false flag operation. I'm wondering why BBC reporting on Mariupol is rather different to a crew that has cameras there also why the mayor there keeps saying that it's too dangerous to send coaches in. In excess of 70,000 have driven out. All bomb damaged cars according to some - not what was shown in footage.

 

[bernardgreen]

Doesn't say much for Russia's air defence system when two helicopters were able to fly 20 miles over Russian territory with out being shot down.

Wouldnt put it past the Russians doing it then blaming Ukraine.

That is a possibility. Also provided an excuse why some Russian vehicles will not have enough fuel.

 

[Stivino]

Wouldnt put it past the Russians doing it then blaming Ukraine.

And the Ukranians should say, It wasn't us, we only target military things.

 

[charliegolf]

Doesn't say much for Russia's air defence system when two helicopters were able to fly 20 miles over Russian territory with out being shot down.

At 50' you don't get a lot of aiming time; and no radar warning...

 

[bernardgreen]

Another possibility. Poor navigation skills in a Russian helicopter crew.

 

[^woody^]

I bet the bloke in charge of the Russian air defences was on a train to Siberia before this thread was started! And he wall fall out a window on the way, no doubt.

Ukraine hit an ammo depot in that town a couple of days ago too.

 

[ajohn]

At 50' you don't get a lot of aiming time; and no radar warning...

That is effectively what Russia has said. 2 OIL tanks on fire out of several and difficult to put out. Might spread and a lot of fire fighters involved.

 

[The Samaritan]

So many people have no idea re air defence systems and how they work.
Thankfully many do but for those that don't, ground-based radar finds it very difficult to log low flying aircraft, fact.
So they flew low, hit their target and back home.

And those that are belittling Russia's air defence, it may be p poor but don't forget the drone that exploded in a car park in another country fired by Ukraine NATO with all its air defences, radar etc failed to pick it up.

Thanks

 

[ajohn]

There was an interesting comment from a pundit a couple of weeks ago. Russia hasn't taken out Ukraine's air force. There is a chance that they have some nuke proof aircraft associated storage around from the old days or they just haven't bothered.

 

[IT Minion]

It's probably a legitimate military target. Military vehicles tend to be measured in gallons per mile and even stationary still get through a lot to power systems. Tankers and fueling systems are a classic target if you want to strand enemy forces. Especially when the Russians have already demonstrated the weakness of their logistical tail.

Challenger IIs are supposed to be able to last either 3 or 5 days stationary with full tanks before you run the tank dry. I'd be amazed if the Kyiv column wasn't stopped in a large part due to running out of fuel.