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[JBR]

But despite that Trump still wasn't in the mood to give us a trade deal, was he. And neither was Obama before him. All the same reason - NI

The only way to sort this out is either for NI to reunite with the south, queue "The Troubles", part 3 (only this time it'll be the Prods blowing stuff up) OR the UK should at least rejoin the Customs Union, stick to the agreements we have with the EU (incidentally, our largest single trading partner) and by doing that HMG will make it far easier for UK plc to actually export stuff and earn the country some much needed money. Or doesn't that matter?

I don't know about Obama, but I thought Trump was a good friend of this country.

I'd be quite happy for NI to unite with Eire. As for the 'troubles', the Irish have always enjoyed fighting with each other so I'm sure they'd be very happy in their own way.

I'd also be happy for the UK to rejoin the Customs Union, but anything more political than what we had with the Common Market is unacceptable. Napoleon tried it and lost; Hitler tried it and lost; the only way the EU succeeded was due to fifth columnists in our leadership.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

the only way the EU succeeded was due to fifth columnists in our leadership.

Are you old enough to actually remember the state this country was in in the early 1970s? I seem to recall that we joined the EEC out of necessity. In fact, we did rather well out if it for many years, and a lot of people, businesses and universities, etc did, too. As part of the EU we were a part of the largest trading blocks in the world. Outside it we are a rather insignificant island off the coast of the second largest trading market in the world, too small an economy to undertake many of the larger budget project. So just why do you hate the EU (as the EEC became) so much? Yes, it needed reform - but being inside the tent ****ing out is always a lot better than being on the attempting to **** in.

 

[noseall]

So just why do you hate the EU

He consumes a daily diet right wing garbage from those favoured Tory rags renowned for lying and bad reporting. Astonishingly, even though we have left the EU, The Wail and the Express dedicate much column space and bandwidth simply posting their hatred of the French, the Germans and the EU.
Pathetic.

"..Friendliness is the nation’s default setting just as often as it is in Britain, and way more often than you’d guess by having read the British papers recently..."

British papers, lol. I wonder which rags he's referring to. Poor old duffer JBR believes every word.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Just to clarify.

Do the Brexit supporters say the recent chaos at Dover was nothing at all to do with Brexit? Or Brexit did have some effect?

 

[JBR]

Are you old enough to actually remember the state this country was in in the early 1970s? I seem to recall that we joined the EEC out of necessity. In fact, we did rather well out if it for many years, and a lot of people, businesses and universities, etc did, too. As part of the EU we were a part of the largest trading blocks in the world. Outside it we are a rather insignificant island off the coast of the second largest trading market in the world, too small an economy to undertake many of the larger budget project. So just why do you hate the EU (as the EEC became) so much? Yes, it needed reform - but being inside the tent ****ing out is always a lot better than being on the attempting to **** in.

Yes, I was in my 20s at the time and had begun working in 1968 thank you.
I can't honestly remember who was PM then or which political party, as that wasn't something I was interested in.
However, I do remember when the EEC (good) morphed into the EU (bad) and began to take control of this country.
My latter point is why I do not wish to go back into the corrupt organisation, and I'm pretty sure that most of the population agree with me.

 

[Vinty]

Find another poll then. Until you do that's the best evidence we have

Polls are meaningless.
Remember the 2016 referendum.
Leading up to voting day, the vast majority of polls predicted the remain side would prevail, however the final results gave the leave side a victory margin of more than one million votes.

 

[JBR]

Do the Brexit supporters say the recent chaos at Dover was nothing at all to do with Brexit? Or Brexit did have some effect?

I can only speak for myself, but yes I think that Brexit brought it on. More specifically, rather than Brexit itself, it was caused by the French who have disliked this country for hundreds of years (except for 1914 and 1939 for some reason) and are now doing all they can to make life difficult for us.
A quick example: do you remember them threatening to stop supplying electricity to the Channel Islands? Funnily enough, they are now very happy for us to send them electricity due to their nuclear power stations are failing!
That's just one example of 'our friends' across the Channel!

 

[ellal]

I can only speak for myself, but yes I think that Brexit brought it on.

And yet...

More specifically, rather than Brexit itself, it was caused by the French

Could you tell us which country decided to leave the EU?

And could you tell us which Gallic country is merely following the EU rules that the UK helped write?

Rules that now apply to the UK since the UK is now a 'third country' as far as the EU is concerned...

A country that is being treated no differently than any other non EU country!

 

[Vinty]

Napoleon tried it and lost; Hitler tried it and lost; the only way the EU succeeded was due to fifth columnists in our leadership.

Napoleon and Hitler were successful at first but they made the same mistake the EU is now making, they picked a fight with Russia.
Looks like Britain be saved by the Russians again.

 

[IT Minion]

Napoleon and Hitler were successful at first but they made the same mistake the EU is now making, they picked a fight with Russia.
Looks like Britain be saved by the Russians again.

...and we're back to the Pro Putin stuff.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I can only speak for myself, but yes I think that Brexit brought it on. More specifically, rather than Brexit itself, it was caused by the French who have disliked this country for hundreds of years (except for 1914 and 1939 for some reason) and are now doing all they can to make life difficult for us.
A quick example: do you remember them threatening to stop supplying electricity to the Channel Islands? Funnily enough, they are now very happy for us to send them electricity due to their nuclear power stations are failing!
That's just one example of 'our friends' across the Channel!

At least we have 1 brexit supporting person who accepts the chaos was caused by Brexit then.

All it boils down to really is, do you believe in following agreed laws and rules, or not ? As a country (government) we were as aware of the new rules and requirements just as much as the rest of the EU was. P poor planning is no excuse, Brexit was all sorted!

 

[THFC]

So what was/were your previous incarnation(s) of the erroneous misogynistic f*ckwit you so clearly are?

And no surprise that mottie the forum troll/creepy stalker finds you funny!

One and the same?

Oh, I don't hate women dear.

I think you just need to ask yourself whether it is absolutely necessary for you to be quite so abusive in order for you to get your point across.

 

[Lower]

Why should the EU negotiate?
The EU negotiated a deal in good faith with the UK.
The UK has reneged on that deal

The UK has not implemented the agreed changes like labelling, checks etc.
The EU has offered a deal to remove 80% of checks but the UK refused.


Yet you are blaming the EU

You know why, but are choosing to side with the EU rather than your own country.

The NI protocol is damaging the Good Friday agreement. As protecting the good friday agreement is one of the stated aims of the NI protocol, that is why the EU should negotiate to find mutually agreeable ways around the problems.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You know why, but are choosing to side with the EU rather than your own country.

The NI protocol is damaging the Good Friday agreement. As protecting the good friday agreement is one of the stated aims of the NI protocol, that is why the EU should negotiate to find mutually agreeable ways around the problems.

I thought we had negotiated a good deal ?
And signed it ?

 

[IT Minion]

You know why, but are choosing to side with the EU rather than your own country.

The NI protocol is damaging the Good Friday agreement. As protecting the good friday agreement is one of the stated aims of the NI protocol, that is why the EU should negotiate to find mutually agreeable ways around the problems.

Brexit damaged the Good Friday agreement, the NIP is the best way anyone has identified to protect it.