minor works certificate

[rodger kellers]

Hi all I'm hoping someone may be able to help.
We live in a council property and are due to do a mutual exchange to another property. I took the night storage heaters out a few years back, now the council say i must put them back and get a minor works certificate.
I put them back and put the wiring back where it all come from (I'm not an electrician) now comes the problem of getting the mwc. Could my father in law who is a retired electrician do the checks and fill out the mwc.
Thanks for any feedback.

 

[^woody^]

If you download a typical model form from the like of the IET, you will see that the form is a declaration of the condition of the installation, not the qualification of the person making the declaration.

So yes, any old Joe can fill the form in.

https://electrical.theiet.org/media/2209/bs-76712018-model-forms-minor-electrical-installation-works-certificate.pdf

 

[Deleted member 267285]

If you download a typical model form from the like of the IET, you will see that the form is a declaration of the condition of the installation, not the qualification of the person making the declaration.

So yes, any old Joe can fill the form in.

https://electrical.theiet.org/media/2209/bs-76712018-model-forms-minor-electrical-installation-works-certificate.pdf

Yes, but inspection and testing might be required.

 

[^woody^]

Yes, but inspection and testing might be required.

Yes, but anyone can inspect and connect a meter!

It will be implied that such a person knows what they are doing and takes responsibility for their test, but as for being "qualified" that's not really a requirement.

 

[rodger kellers]

thanks all. all i know is the council must have a copy of a mwc.

 

[rodger kellers]

so my father in law could do the tests and I could fill in the form?

 

[^woody^]

so my father in law could do the tests and I could fill in the form?

My spaniel could, if he could only stop wagging his tail all the time and hold a pen.

You may want the old man to write something like Daddy-O Electrics or such like, not just a name. It's just a stupid box ticking exercise for the council.

The bizarre thing is that the council should carry out their own Periodic Test with (before) any new tenancy. Obviously, if your alterations or reinstatement is incorrect they would then recharge this to you.

 

[rodger kellers]

So how comes just about anyone can fill these forms out?

 

[transam]

Some works are building control notifiable

And not just any one can certificate or self certify certain works to building control

Councils should be aware of this

 

[gas112]

On exchange the council should do an electrical test on both properties on the day of the exchange

 

[rodger kellers]

On exchange the council should do an electrical test on both properties on the day of the exchange

Yes indeed but they want the minor works certificate. There isn't any power going to them because we are not on economy 7 tariff any more. And the people moving in don't want them.

 

[Pat ex]

If wiring is present but not connected, wouldn't the property be considered safe, by any normal test?

 

[conny]

In the 'real' world you would have asked the council to remove them when you stopped getting Economy 7.
They would have come out, disconnected the wiring safely and gone away. When you were vacating they would have come back and re-connected them if the incoming tenant asked them to. Sadly the 'real' world doesn't behave in this manner. If you disconnected/removed them without their knowledge then you have to re-instate them to their correct positions ensuring they are installed safely and in a working condition. If your FIL is a retired electrician he can re-connect them at the heater but leave them disconnected at the consumer unit, (because you don't have Economy 7), sign the MWC and just state his name and then in brackets write (Retired).
You do not need a professional electrician who is qualified to all todays regulations, you merely have to be 'competent', and I would judge a retired electrician to be quite competent.

 

[conny]

If wiring is present but not connected, wouldn't the property be considered safe, by any normal test?

Would depend if the wiring was safely terminated. Being disconnected and having the ends taped up would not be considered safe.

 

[rodger kellers]

In the 'real' world you would have asked the council to remove them when you stopped getting Economy 7.
They would have come out, disconnected the wiring safely and gone away. When you were vacating they would have come back and re-connected them if the incoming tenant asked them to. Sadly the 'real' world doesn't behave in this manner. If you disconnected/removed them without their knowledge then you have to re-instate them to their correct positions ensuring they are installed safely and in a working condition. If your FIL is a retired electrician he can re-connect them at the heater but leave them disconnected at the consumer unit, (because you don't have Economy 7), sign the MWC and just state his name and then in brackets write (Retired).
You do not need a professional electrician who is qualified to all todays regulations, you merely have to be 'competent', and I would judge a retired electrician to be e competent.mi

Would depend if the wiring was safely terminated. Being disconnected and having the ends taped up would not be considered safe.

Wiring goes from heater to switches on the wall. The off peak part of the circuit is blanked off in the fues box. Done by EDF energy when we went to single rate meter.