Loads of Albanians

[Mottie]

So you do fail to understand that people who want an effective immigration issue are not wanting an open door policy.

How did brexit help with the issue ?

From the cutoff date, we decide who comes over here to work and not the EU. That’s an open door policy of sorts but with us opening the door instead of the door being permanently wedged open by the EU.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Go on then, tell us. See what you have understood from whats been said.

Who, actually, on this forum, are in favour of largescale immigration ? Name them; lets see how many there are? If there are any of course?

As I see it, its about how its controlled or not. Those shouting large about anti immigration are mostly right wing types supporting this very government that is (not) sorting the issue.

So your list of names please ?

Off the top of my head;

JohnD
Himmagin
BobbyDazzler
Noseall
Redherring
CaptainNemesis
Pat ex

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Those shouting large about anti immigration are mostly right wing types supporting this very government that is (not) sorting the issue.

Please don't put me in that category. Only mugs support such parties, continually allowing themselves to be promised action but constantly let down. Does anyone seriously believe that the Tories are right wing?

 

[Pat ex]

All of who were wanted and/or invited.

They're economic migrants all the same.
So some are wanted and needed, and others are refused a visa, returned to their own country, or refused entry. Even some of those that are wanted and needed are refused a visa.
What's your point.

 

[Pat ex]

..... why don't you switch to economic migrants. I mean there are loads of those in the boats.

...

And in the NHS, Care Homes, Education sector, etc, etc.

I thought someone was hinting at the fact that there could be NHS/Care home workers coming over on those boats because the 'nasty Tories’ had sent all the EU NHS workers home after Brexit.

Well you got it wrong again.
An economic migrant is an economic migrant, irrespective of where they are located, or how they arrived.
The definition of an economic migrant for you:
"An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Off the top of my head;

JohnD
Himmagin
BobbyDazzler
Noseall
Redherring
CaptainNemesis
Pat ex

Will let them all answer for themselves but ive never seen any posts supporting an open door policy

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Please don't put me in that category. Only mugs support such parties, continually allowing themselves to be promised action but constantly let down. Does anyone seriously believe that the Tories are right wing?

Yes the Tories are right wing. No doubt about it at all.

But you have found the major point tgat si many are missing . We are continually promised action but the results are getting worse not better. But the tories keep blaming everybody else and just not accepting the point you make.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

From the cutoff date, we decide who comes over here to work and not the EU. That’s an open door policy of sorts but with us opening the door instead of the door being permanently wedged open by the EU.

Great. Hows it working ? How many have we deported (versus previous years too). Is it stopping people arriving ?

Or are we in dreamland ?

 

[Pat ex]

From the cutoff date, we decide who comes over here to work and not the EU. That’s an open door policy of sorts but with us opening the door instead of the door being permanently wedged open by the EU.

I think you fail to understand the basic tenets of the Freedom of Movement.
There are quite severe limits to enjoying the right to live and work in another EU country, for EU citizens.
Of course if the UK did not adequately apply those limits, that's not a fault of the EU, nor the right to free movement (with restrictions).

 

[Pat ex]

Off the top of my head;

JohnD
Himmagin
BobbyDazzler
Noseall
Redherring
CaptainNemesis
Pat ex

Will let them all answer for themselves but ive never seen any posts supporting an open door policy

When ReganandCarter finds a post of mine that suggests I support an open door policy, I'm happy to discuss it with him.
But I suspect he'll do what transam and Motiie have done, and misinterpret my sympathetic attitude to those in genuine need of asylum for a supposed open door policy.
Anyone who applies for asylum should have their application considered and processed. Those failed asylum seekers should be repatriated.

An open door policy for EU citizens, I'm more than happy with because there are strict limitations on who is allowed to exercise their right to freedom of movement.
If the UK government cannot or will not apply those restrictions and act on that, that's not a fault of the freedom of movement principle, nor the the EU.

 

[Mottie]

...




Well you got it wrong again.
An economic migrant is an economic migrant, irrespective of where they are located, or how they arrived.
The definition of an economic migrant for you:
"An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."

I guess that I must have been an economic migrant when I worked in South Africa in the early eighties. I couldn’t just go there though. I was wanted, I was needed so I was invited. I had a job, a place to live and a return ticket as well as having private medical cover and a full health check before being allowed a work permit. Now, if we were to do that, I and many others would have no problem with any economic migrants of that stature coming here.

Would you have a problem with those requirements for those coming here? I wouldn’t.

 

[Pat ex]

I guess that must make ellals 'medic' sons economic migrants then as we are told that they have chosen to work abroad.

If they are UK citizens and they choose to work in another country, then yes, they are economic migrants.
Unless they moved for political, family or moral concerns. Then they are Political migrants, environmental migrants or maybe even family migrants.
The "economic" part of economic migrant refers to the economy and standard of living. But I'm guessing you knew that.

 

[noseall]

Off the top of my head;


Noseall

Wrong. And so is the top of your head.

 

[transam]

You haven't tried and you are making lame excuses to avoid trying.
When you find an "anti-UK rant" of mine, then we can discuss it. In the meantime, keep hopping about from one foot to the other. At least the exercise will do you good.

I notice that you are incapable of explaining what you think might be achieved by your racist rants.
Perhaps you could tell us what it is that you hope to achieve with your racist rants?


I don't suppose it has much to do with the French. Do they refugees need the permission of the French to leave France?
Can you tell us how the French are involved?


I think you're in danger of disappearing down a rabbit hole. Never mind, when you arrive in Alice's wonderland, you'll feel at home, Watch out for that mad hatter! He's off his rocker.

Never really bother reading long winded multi quote war and peace long posts / waffle

Any way

Your the racist fruit cake

Stop
Making lame excuses for yer waffle

Your in danger of some one taking you seriously

Despite yer anti UK rhetoric / narrative

 

[transam]

You can equally say they will. Actually a very high proportion will want a job. Something they can't have until processed.
Stupid argument anyway - why don't you switch to economic migrants. I mean there are loads of those in the boats.


Actually if you passed through Calais you would know there are Brits working there. Customs types.

So the Uk are running / in charge of Calais than ??

Has any one told Macron ?

Or is he asleep on the job again ?