The Future?

Stivino said:
I had one of these when I first started work because my workplace was difficult to get to by bus and being 16, it was all I was allowed to drive and could afford.
You had to pedal like crazy for very little distance. I’m glad I never ran out of petrol.
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When I was 16, all the cool kids had Yahama Fizzers (fs1e) which also had pedals and if I remember correctly were unrestriced. They usually graduated to an LC with the much cherished 'YPVS' . Unfortunately I had an ancient 50cc 1966 Suzuki M15 thing on the way to a Superdream after passing my test. :(
 
ajohn said:
I wonder how many chargers will be installed in holiday centres to cater for summer crowds. Motorway service stations as well.

Commuting a bit different. A typical household supply is likely to be able to cope for most people. No off street parking - that could be catered for even if just by more "lamp post" like things or long leads and some method of preventing people from tripping over them.

Hydrogen. Seems specific energy is good but volumentric efficiency rather crap. Rather strong fuel tank needed, Just read not checked. Less boot space?
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I visited a craft hotel seems only one in country, so people travel there from far and wide, nearly 300 miles each way for me, will take around 100+ visitors, it is rather large, and two EV charging points.

I went to a lecture many years ago by Shell I seem to remember, they considered using North Sea gas to power cars, but the problem was to keep it liquid it needs to be cooled, so the tanks had to be insulated and have a pressure release valve in case the warmed up. The problem was if in a crash the insulation could be damaged so gas could be released and catch fire. So like the Howard Hughes steam car it was shelved as being too dangerous.

I do question the use of Lithium batteries in cars, if damaged as air gets in, they go on fire, OK for the size of battery in a small phone, but in a car it needs to be like the Nuclear flasks and be made very strong which also means heavy.
 
carmanmemoranda said:
Flintstone style
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You might be onto something - pedal assisted cars.

But seriously, as increasing numbers of people become unable to afford to run a car we will see older forms of transport return. There are more two-wheelers on the roads now than I can remember in a long time, be they bicycles, motorcycles or those annoying and dangerous Chinese motor scooters. Bicycles pulling trailers or with a trailer at the front (if that's not a contradiction in terms) are now a regular sight.

Will horse-drawn transport return? Do any of you oldies remember the days of the horse in the streets? Horse-drawn transport must have continued in parts of the country after it had ended in London. I have been told that horses-and-carts were a common sight in Manchester up to the early 1960s.

Returning to these old forms of transit would be beneficial to health if nothing else; our laziness in relying on the car is the cause of many health problems.
 
andy11 said:
But seriously, as increasing numbers of people become unable to afford to run a car we will see older forms of transport return. There are more two-wheelers on the roads now than I can remember in a long time, be they bicycles, motorcycles or those annoying and dangerous Chinese motor scooters. Bicycles pulling trailers or with a trailer at the front (if that's not a contradiction in terms) are now a regular sight.
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I think you are horribly wrong. I too see the increasing numbers of bicycles on the road but I don't feel this is the result of not being able to afford independent vehicular transport. The massive increase in bicycles on our roads is driven by leisure/sport/health trends.

What we will see from people not being able to afford an independent, cheap & convenient method of transport is a major change in most folks lifestyle.

There are some MAHOOSIVE changes coming very soon in all of our lives, some of us are too stoopid to see how this will affect us, but my milk will not ever again be delivered by hoss' n' cart, nor will my policeman respond to a 999 on a bicycle.
 
Dork Lard said:
What we will see from people not being able to afford an independent, cheap & convenient method of transport is a major change in most folks lifestyle.
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You are right, but "lifestyle" is the wrong word. (Words are important in politics).

"Lifestyle" comes from the anything goes, do-what-you-like swinging sixties and it implies a choice; it makes me think of the idle rich wife of a company director who decides to go vegetarian or to take up restoring old furniture.

The change for "most folk" will be by force and against their wills. It will be made to look like a choice though!
 
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andy11 said:
You are right, but "lifestyle" is the wrong word. (Words are important in politics).

"Lifestyle" comes from the anything goes, do-what-you-like swinging sixities and it implies a choice; it makes me think of the idle rich wife of a company director who decides to go vegetarian or to take up restoring old furniture.

The change for "most folk" will be by force and against their wills. It will be made to look like a choice though!
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If you look up the dictionary definition of "lifestyle" . . . .

Someone I have a great amount of respect for has roughly worked out that we cannot simply replace all ICE vehicles with EV's. He calculates that if EV's are the only option then the infrastructure can only support approx 40% of todays numbers . . . . . The scary part is most of that number will be taken by commercial vehicles !

Look forwards to a future where ownership of personal vehicular transport, what we call "a car", will be a rarity, an exception rather than a rule.
 
Dork Lard said:
If you look up the dictionary definition of "lifestyle" . . . .

Someone I have a great amount of respect for has roughly worked out that we cannot simply replace all ICE vehicles with EV's. He calculates that if EV's are the only option then the infrastructure can only support approx 40% of todays numbers . . . . . The scary part is most of that number will be taken by commercial vehicles !

Look forwards to a future where ownership of personal vehicular transport, what we call "a car", will be a rarity, an exception rather than a rule.
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My dictionary is a hundred years old, from before communism took a hold in Britain, and doesn't contain the word lifestyle. It is a selfish concept.

Yes, electric cars cannot possibly work on the same scale that we now have with petrol and diesel cars. Under "Net Zero" we are supposed to have no more petrol/diesel vehicles on the road from 2030 onward. That is only 7 years away, which is not a long time to do all the necessary work to enable it. Even if it could be done in 7 years the Government has not started doing anything much about it as of yet. It is as if the Government knows that it is not going to happen, just like they knew that covid wasn't going to kill everybody so they continued to hold drinking parties, visit their mistresses, drive to Barnard Castle etc.
 
andy11 said:
Under "Net Zero" we are supposed to have no more petrol/diesel vehicles on the road from 2030 onward. That is only 7 years away, which is not a long time to do all the necessary work to enable it. Even if it could be done in 7 years the Government has not started doing anything much about it as of yet. It is as if the Government knows that it is not going to happen, just like they knew that covid wasn't going to kill everybody so they continued to hold drinking parties, visit their mistresses, drive to Barnard Castle etc.
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That's not my understanding of what happens in 2030.
 
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