I went to Spain this week and despite what the anti-Brexit scaremongers on here said……

[motorbiking]

Which bit didn’t you understand?

 

[Roy Bloom]

I think there is a good chance the EU will soften the Schengen rules for brits in coming years. Several countries are lobbying due to the loss of UK tourists and business.

And maybe the UK wil start operating the processes tha thye should have been doing several years ago,

The British government will delay imposing full post-Brexit import controls on goods from the European Union by a further three months, it said on Tuesday, pushing the start date back to January 2024.

Britain delays post-Brexit border checks on EU goods till 2024

The British government will delay imposing full post-Brexit import controls on goods from the European Union by a further three months, it said on Tuesday, pushing the start date back to January 2024.

www.reuters.com

Then Motties, et al, claims for no delays in processing can be re-visited.
And of course we've got the ESS yet to come.

The EU entry/exit system (EES)With the EES, passports will be automatically scanned and border guards will no longer need to manually stamp them. The data will be kept in an EU-wide database for three years, which will renew at each entry.

The Netherlands readies for new EU border check system - DutchNews.nl

There will be major changes to the way the European Union manages its external borders in 2023. Here is what changes and how the Netherlands is preparing. All non-EU nationals arriving and leaving the Schengen area will be registered under a new border-check system that will be introduced in...

www.dutchnews.nl

Is UK ready yet?
Perhaps we can re-visit peoples' experiences after the ESS has been introduced.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Well they've softened their stance on international driving permits and green card requirements and the EHIC problem that Ellal was trumpeting has been replaced with a GHIC so it appears they can learn to soften their stance when market forces demand.

Do citizens of other countries that trade with the EU have an automatic right to live in the the EU without a visa?

The GHIC does not fully replace the old EHIC.
It does not cover medical expenses in a few countries whereas the EHIC card did.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Positive overall ?

What planet are you on?

The but where you said its been positive overall.

 

[motorbiking]

And maybe the UK wil start operating the processes tha thye should have been doing several years ago,

Britain delays post-Brexit border checks on EU goods till 2024

The British government will delay imposing full post-Brexit import controls on goods from the European Union by a further three months, it said on Tuesday, pushing the start date back to January 2024.

www.reuters.com

Then Motties, et al, claims for no delays in processing can be re-visited.
And of course we've got the ESS yet to come.

The Netherlands readies for new EU border check system - DutchNews.nl

There will be major changes to the way the European Union manages its external borders in 2023. Here is what changes and how the Netherlands is preparing. All non-EU nationals arriving and leaving the Schengen area will be registered under a new border-check system that will be introduced in...

www.dutchnews.nl

Is UK ready yet?
Perhaps we can re-visit peoples' experiences after the ESS has been introduced.

No different to US system and may simplify the time the immigration officer has to spend flicking through my passport to find the entry stamp when I leave.

 

[motorbiking]

The but where you said its been positive overall.

Find away around the problems. That’s what good business people do. Look for opportunities etc. i appreciate not everyone has these skills.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Find away around the problems. That’s what good business people do. Look for opportunities etc. i appreciate not everyone has these skills.

I meant for the country as a whole.

I don't need the business I'm now turning away. There's not that many people prepared to go out to Europe to repair travellers breakdowns or service and maintain vehicles kept and used in Europe. Lots of European mechanics available anyway.

But it's not worth my time or effort to do it anymore. Got more than enough at home.

But if you think the country as a whole is finding things more positive overall you are not aware of all the issues

Head in the sand

 

[blup]

Interesting that the government is still delaying full border controls, a fundamental point of brexhit was to take back control. The reason given is they have listened to industry. They pretty much ignored industry on the trade deal. To be fair rishy doesn’t, seem to be a bigoted brexxer. But then again he will feck off to California after the next election and get US citizenship with his family’s money and connections .

Blup

 

[Roy Bloom]

No different to US system and may simplify the time the immigration officer has to spend flicking through my passport to find the entry stamp when I leave.

In which case, it's a shame it wasn't introduced before this summer holiday.

Oh, hang on, didn't they agree to postpone it so it wouldn't cause addtional delays?

The EU's post-Brexit Entry/Exit System (EES) will no longer launch in May.

The EU's post-Brexit Entry-Exit System (EES) has been delayed once again.

This means non-EU travellers entering the Schengen Area will be spared the anticipated chaos of the new border controls a little longer.

The airline industry have supported the delays as it gives more time for preparations to be made.

New EU border controls pushed back

The EU's post-Brexit Entry/Exit System (EES) will no longer launch in May.

www.euronews.com

Operators of services at these points have expressed concerns about the impact of EES, and its potential to increase delays at border checkpoints

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/the-eu-entry-exit-system-and-eu-travel-authorisation-system/

You're putting your own spin on reality again. It's becoming a habit.

 

[motorbiking]

The IT wasn’t ready. Did you expect anything less from a bureaucratic

I meant for the country as a whole.

I don't need the business I'm now turning away. There's not that many people prepared to go out to Europe to repair travellers breakdowns or service and maintain vehicles kept and used in Europe. Lots of European mechanics available anyway.

But it's not worth my time or effort to do it anymore. Got more than enough at home.

But if you think the country as a whole is finding things more positive overall you are not aware of all the issues

Head in the sand

I was answering from my perspective- others may have different experiences. And lobby groups always complain. My business is global, EU rules don’t bother me much. Schengen meant I had to go to the Greek authorities for some paperwork to keep my hobby job. (Charter/skipper). But the process was easy and I have avoided some taxes.

 

[Mottie]

I think Norway do and Switzerland, but am not sure.

What about Canada, Vietnam, Japan and Singapore? The EU has free trade agreements with those countries. Do they also have a freedom of movement agreement? Can EU citizens freely pop over to those countries, without visas, work and get benefits such as health, housing and education? Can the citizens of those countries do the same in any EU countries? Does the EU have a say in forming their laws? If no, what’s the problem with doing the same with the U.K. other than spite and jealousy?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I think what's evident from this thread is that if you're going abroad for a week or two on the lash you won't be impacted too badly. However, if you need to do trade with or work in The EU it's a major ball ache, or sometimes nigh on impossible. Many of the problems for trade and commerce weren't even in the mind of the ordinary man in the street in 2016.

 

[Roy Bloom]

What about Canada, Vietnam, Japan and Singapore? The EU has free trade agreements with those countries. Do they also have a freedom of movement agreement? Can EU citizens freely pop over to those countries, without visas, work and get benefits such as health, housing and education? Can the citizens of those countries do the same in any EU countries? Does the EU have a say in forming their laws? If no, what’s the problem with doing the same with the U.K. other than spite and jealousy?

Careful selection of a few countries to fit your criteria.
I'm sure I could select a few countries that would fit my criteria.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I think what's evident from this thread is that if you're going abroad for a week or two on the lash you won't be impacted too badly. However, if you need to do trade with or work in The EU it's a major ball ache, or sometimes nigh on impossible. Many of the problems for trade and commerce weren't even in the mind of the ordinary man in the street in 2016.

Also, pre Brexit UK citizens had a right to live in EU countries. Now an application is required, and you need to mee tthe criteria.
You can be refused and no reason given.

 

[motorbiking]

I think what's evident from this thread is that if you're going abroad for a week or two on the lash you won't be impacted too badly. However, if you need to do trade with or work in The EU it's a major ball ache, or sometimes nigh on impossible. Many of the problems for trade and commerce weren't even in the mind of the ordinary man in the street in 2016.

Its swings and roundabouts. Trade is not just importation of goods. Services are huge and much of the attraction of lower cost resource centres for services - the so called "near shore" are gone. The EU thought it would pull from the UK, which had been happening for years pre-brexit. Instead its gone the other way.