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Responsibility of electrical intake equipment in flats
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I'm not sure what you're attempting to prove by repeating my post here, and I'm tiring of having to repeatedly re-post what I've already written.
Right at that start, I merely pointed out that at least some (probably most/all) suppliers have contractual agreements with customers (even if 'deemed' ones) in which the supplier agrees to supply electricity so long as the customer complies with their obligations under the contract - one of which (in the example I quoted) was to permit the supplier to "install any metering equipment".
Hence (for the umpteenth time), although I haven't yet heard of it happening, a supplier probably could use the contractual agreements to effectively 'force' any type of meter (including a 'smart' one) onto a customer who wanted to continue receiving an electricity supply from them.
I'm not going to repeat myself yet again, so .... "I'm out"
Well, yes, without a meter they wouldn't know how much to bill you. Did you mean smart meters?
No I meant meters. Read the post again.
I thought it was obvious there'd have to be a meter, smart or otherwise (in a domestic or commercial property).
Yes - but, given that, as you say, it is obvious that there must be some sort of meter, that underlines the fact that it is also obvious that acceptance of a meter is part of the contractual agreement - which, as in the example I quoted, usually includes the customer's agreement that the supply may install "any metering equipment" (i.e. 'of their choice') - which would include 'smart' meters.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see what that has to do with my #48 and #50. As in the other thread on this subject, Octopus haven't said I must have a smart meter because of the contract, not yet anyway.
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Are you saying you don't have a meter?
FWIW I had a single phase unmetered supply for a number of years, it consisted of 3/0.036 double insulated tails from a 3ph head to a metal FCU with 3A fuse with the equipment flex connected directly. There were several similar services and several metered supplies, about 8 tails altogether from the 3ph head. When I took the service over in 1994 I was paying £28 +VAT. It would have been around 2008 I was paying close to £60 inc VAT. We did a change of customer name and address (as he passed away) and automatically a meter was fitted, the first year it showed I used less energy than predicted but the commercial meter rental (supplier would not accept amateur radio was non commercial) took the cost to around £150.
As I've written (more than once) to the best of my knowledge, NO supplier has yet attempted to force a 'smart' meter onto anyone, presumably not the least because they are still finding enough customers who accept such a meter without any argument to enable them to achieve the government-imposed targets.
All of this discussion has arisen because I pointed out that although 'smart' meters are not 'compulsory' in law, contracts are such that, should they so wish, suppliers could probably refuse to provide (or continue providing) an electricity supply if a customer is not prepared to honour the contractual agreement to allow the supplier to install "any metering equipment".
As above, to the best of my knowledge that has NOT happened yet, but it could well do when suppliers start having difficulty finding enough 'willing' recipients of 'smart meters' to enable them to meet the ('compulsory') targets imposed on them (hence avoiding financial penalties).
Hallelujah!
No, it started because you said Eric and I were wrong in stating that smart meters are not compulsory.
...yet now you say that might not have happened yet.
Sorry, I meant smart meter! Now edited
OK, never heard of that arrangement, but we live and learn
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Whereupon I pointed out that suppliers could probably make it effectively 'compulsory' (for anyone who wanted a continuing electricity supply from them), because of contractual obligations- and, although that has not yet happened, they may well eventually have to start doing that (to avoid financial penalties for not achieving targets) when they start running out of people 'willing' to accept such meters.
I don't think that anyone (certainly not me) has ever suggested that 'smart' meters are 'compulsory' in law.
"The law" is not the only thing that can make things effectively 'compulsory'.
Who brought the law into it?
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I thought the question was who can correct the problem with a box, 
not if he could be forced to have a smart meter.
It does seem someone is being awkward, likely to get out of doing some work. I also had a problem getting a smart meter, they said there was not enough room on the board to fit it. Looking at the board
since the radio teleswitch will go, they seem to have loads of room. Maybe I am being silly, but it seems Octopus has taken control by putting on the labels 
they can't put on a label saying no one else must touch it, and at the same time say it is not their responsibility. Either the label is in error, and they need to remove it, or it's their job, can't have it both ways.
not if he could be forced to have a smart meter.It does seem someone is being awkward, likely to get out of doing some work. I also had a problem getting a smart meter, they said there was not enough room on the board to fit it. Looking at the board
since the radio teleswitch will go, they seem to have loads of room. Maybe I am being silly, but it seems Octopus has taken control by putting on the labels they can't put on a label saying no one else must touch it, and at the same time say it is not their responsibility. Either the label is in error, and they need to remove it, or it's their job, can't have it both ways.
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