Migrant channel crossing deal.

[denso13]

So it's hard to get here

Yes, it is.

 

[transam]

Spain said they need 25 million migrants in order to maintain there country

There you go than

Ship all the migrants coming across the channel to Spain

Sorted

 

[Koolpc]

If it weren't for the channel we could put up a fence.

Woooof!

 

[Koolpc]

Well, i know one thing for sure. There are absolutely NO illegal Corgis in the UK!!!!

 

[Brigadier]

They ALL know that the UK is soft...thats why we get hundreds a day arriving..

From the moron who thinks he's a dog

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

 

[motorbiking]

Doesn't stop migrants coming to the UK.

Doesn't stop migrants coming to the UK.

Irrelevant. There is no appetite for it, certainly not on the spurious (MBK imagined) grounds that it will prevent migrants coming to the UK.

Simply passes a law? So the Tories for example, can arbitrarily amend the Act to stop migrants arriving and pass it and make it law, simply because they have a mandate?
No HoC? No HoL? No debating in the chambers?

Nonsense.

The only nonsense is your assessment.

 

[motorbiking]

The Human Rights Act is just another Act of Parliament. Any government who has enough MPs would eventually be able to get an amendment through Parliament. They might have to wait twelve months to bypass the House of Lords. But in the end, the amendment would become law.

Correct - there is a long history of governments getting dodgy laws through. Some would argue the human rights act is a good example.

The question is, what would it achieve to amend the HRA whilst still remaining in the ECHR. The solution put forward by @motorbiking.

I think I have been fairly clear. Sec 3 and 6 make it very hard, slow and expensive to get anything through that may conflict with Human rights. Of course a government can do it eventually but it takes a huge effort. Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Act 2024 is good example, there are plenty of others.

Remove the obligation for all laws to be interpreted within the framework of the ECHR and remove the statutory restriction on public bodies from doing anything that might breach the HRA. Once you've done that you have a lot more power and flexibility for example to create a statutory body whose role is to prevent unlawful entry to UK territorial waters. its still possible to do it without changing the HRA, but the pace and level of scrutiny in excessive.

Say, as a deterrent, the government decided to stop all support for anyone arriving on a small boat. They were left homeless and without any money so they had to beg on the streets. They became unwell as a result, but they were refused any medical assistance. Would that be inhuman and degrading treatment under the ECHR.

Well let's agree, for the sake of argument, that it would be.

But how can they take action against the UK. If the HRA has been amended to stop it applying to small boat people, they can't bring a claim in the domestic courts. But they are still protected by the ECHR. So instead they would just bring a claim at Strasbourg. This is why I do not see the benefit of what is being suggested above. Other than it might be harder to bring a claim. And as I have pointed out several times already, the government doesn't actually have to follow a ruling under the HRA or ECHR in any event.

They bring a claim to the ECHR. Some win, some don't:

https://www.echr.coe.int/w/rulings-concerning-greece

Anyway, I thought you were out

 

[motorbiking]

From the moron who thinks he's a dog

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

The real world

 

[noseall]

The only nonsense is your assessment.

Not interested in your lies boyo. Go preach to your captivated moron buddies.

 

[motorbiking]

Not interested in your lies boyo. Go preach to your captivated moron buddies.

You literally ask a question and then say you don't want to hear the answer.

I guess thats why you Nosenout.

 

[MNW67]

Anyway, I thought you were out

I am intrigued by your idea. Just frustrated by your continued inability to explain it cogently. I was hoping somebody else might join in.

 

[Brigadier]

The real world

Facts eh?

 

[Koolpc]

From the moron who thinks he's a dog

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

From the idiot who knows he is an azzwipe

 

[Koolpc]

Facts eh?

 

[noseall]

Facts eh?

Pointless having a discussion with the morons, especially the ease at which they lie and accept bullshít.