To all those that welcome/encourage the small boat migrants.

[motorbiking]

But that is the only part I am actually interested in. I had interpreted your initial post to be saying that we couldn't deport those with an open asylum claim because it would be against the ECHR. If that isn't what you were saying, then just please confirm, so that we can stop.

Then I suggest you familiarise yourself with the case law. Do you need a link?

Your lack of comment / interest in the new deal speaks volumes. Btw.

 

[MNW67]

Then I suggest you familiarise yourself with the case law. Do you need a link?

Just a yes or no would be fine.

 

[MNW67]

Your lack of comment / interest in the new deal speaks volumes. Btw.

Speaks volumes about what? Are you criticising me for having different interests to you. I am looking at the big picture of what we can achieve within our existing laws and which laws might need changing.

 

[noseall]

Just a yes or no would be fine.

Are you new to the forum?

Don't expect an honest answer.

 

[Notch7]

That gives a person the ability to claim asylum at the moment they are about to be told they are being sent back

The illegal migration act has not been repealed

 

[Notch7]

Speaks volumes about what? Are you criticising me for having different interests to you

Motorbiking is using a basic ad hominem as a deflection.

you’ve caught him out and he is floundering

 

[MNW67]

The illegal migration act has not been repealed

I think there has been a change under Labour, though. I tried to get to the bottom of it a couple of weeks ago. I think under the Tories, the boat people still claimed asylum. It is just that they were automatically disqualified from being granted asylum. And I think straight after the election, Yvette Cooper passed some sort of regulation to change that. But without actually repealing the Illegal Migration Act. So, I believe the boat people can now be granted asylum.

 

[noseall]

Motorbiking is using a basic ad hominem as a deflection.

you’ve caught him out and he is floundering

Standard.

 

[motorbiking]

Speaks volumes about what? Are you criticising me for having different interests to you. I am looking at the big picture of what we can achieve within our existing laws and which laws might need changing.

Anyone taking a quick glance at the treaty can see the massive loopholes

 

[motorbiking]

The illegal migration act has not been repealed

Which bit do you think is in force ?

 

[Notch7]

Pushbacks are illegal.

 

[Notch7]

Reform claim they would “tow boats back to France”

But France would not allow it…..so it’s just a lie

 

[motorbiking]

Just a yes or no would be fine.

It will be interesting to see how Labour get round the human rights act when forcibly deporting people back to france who have open asylum claims.

I only referred to the HRA and the treaty gets around it by excluding anyone with a claim. So my interest is satisfied. You seem to have strange views about both and the case law is something you should read given your interest.

There will be no deportation of anyone with an open claim or anyone who has been in the U.K. for more than 2 weeks based on the treaty.

It’s difficult to see who might actually be eligible for return given 90-95% of arrivals immediately claim asylum. Anyone left might claim to be under 18 and while that is being investigated, the clock is ticking.

 

[motorbiking]

The illegal migration act has not been repealed

Which bit do you think is in force ?

You don’t appear to know.

Let me help you with the changes that were made

The Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations 2024

Section 2(1) of the Illegal Migration Act 2023 (c. 37) (“the Act”) requires the Secretary of State to make arrangements for the removal of a person from the United Kingdom if the person meets the four conditions. The second of those four conditions, see section 2(3), is that the person entered...

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[Highway Man]

It’s difficult to see who might actually be eligible for return given 90-95% of arrivals immediately claim asylum. Anyone left might claim to be under 18 and while that is being investigated, the clock is ticking.

See how long it takes for that info to get around them all. The whole thing will turn in their favour no doubt.