The Jew hating thread

[Notch7]

I try and avoid the term 'anti semitism' for that reason preferring the term Jew Hater which is more precise, particularly in your case.

You are just a LIAR

You conflate anti semitism with criticism of Israel

 

[Notch7]

and the 'West' have just sanctioned that

Another lie

 

[Mottie]

I criticise racism, apartheid and genocide, and the states and people who commit it.

Really? I only seem to see your posts about the 'state of Israel'. Help us all out and show us some of your posts or threads with criticisms about states that are practicing racism, apartheid and genocide.

 

[JohnD]

Doesn't matter what his view is, there's an official version.

It is not a law. It is not "official" since it has not been passed by Parliament.

It says examples "could include"

It says "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."

You will be embarrassed to see that it also says

"In the UK we use this definition of hate crime in general:

Hate crimes and incidents are taken to mean any crime or incident where the perpetrator’s hostility or prejudice against an identifiable group of people is a factor in determining who is victimised."

Which would obviously include Israel's treatment of Palestinians, who are targeted by their ethnicity, and Israel's policies of racism, apartheid and genocide.

Thank you for bringing these points to public attention,

 

[fillyboy]

It is not a law.

It says "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."

See post #123

 

[Notch7]

See post #123

when are you going to admit you dishonestly call criticism of state of Israel "Jew hatred"

 

[Knave of Hearts]

I asked whether you see Oct 7th as a despicable act of terrorism.

Why did you avoid answering.

Your reply seems to imply that it was justified

Like fillyboy, and Highway Man before him, you are free to interpret other's comments as you see fit.
Even if they are your misinterpretations.
Do you recall the constant question asked of Corbyn, when he was persistently asked if he criticises specific acts of terror, and his consistent answer was he criticises all acts of terror.

A similar situation occurs with equality and discrimination.
There is no hierarchy of equality. There is no hierarchy of discrimination.

What is it with some people that they can't accept that, and want criticism of specific acts of terror, disregarding other acts of terror.
I stand by what I said.
All acts of terror are despicable, including state sponsored terrorism.
I am not going to list all the individual acts that, in your opinion, require specific mention.
There is no hierarchy of acts of terror. Otherwise where do we stop, and draw the line?

 

[Notch7]

Really? I only seem to see your posts about the 'state of Israel'. Help us all out and show us some of your posts or threads with criticisms about states that are practicing racism, apartheid and genocide.

so you admit that state of Israel practices racism, apartheid and genocide

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Everyone seems to be focusing on just the killing, the other tragedy here is the fact that the Palestinians have become refugees through this war and that will last for the rest of their lives. If there is ever peace in Palestine those people will never know or experience normal life again.

There have been Palestinian refugees since the Nakba in 1948.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

You're welcome, it's always a pleasure proving you wrong.

It's only reported in the Telegraph and doesn't exist anywhere else.
It's a piece of lopsided journalism, or even intentional disinformation, that you choose to believe.
That doesn't make it factual.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Indeed, but refugee status will continue long after the rest of their lives, it will continue into their children's lives and their children's children's lives. The reason for this is that Palestinian refugee status is hereditary. I'm not sure why but as far as I'm aware, this is not something that can apply to any other refugees in the world. If for example a refugee comes to this country, then have children, their children do not automatically become refugees.

It's due to the right of return, return to their ancestral homes that were taken from them by force.

I would guess that as far as the UN and UNWRA are concerned it's a profitable business, got to keep that money rolling in.

Between 700 & 800 Palestinians left Israel in 1948,

750,000!
Was your figure a typo, or another intentional attempt at disinformation?
They were driven out by Zionist terrorists, the beginnings of the Israeli army.

 

[Notch7]

Like fillyboy, and Highway Man before him, you are free to interpret other's comments as you see fit.
Even if they are your misinterpretations.
Do you recall the constant question asked of Corbyn, when he was persistently asked if he criticises specific acts of terror, and his consistent answer was he criticises all acts of terror.

A similar situation occurs with equality and discrimination.
There is no hierarchy of equality. There is no hierarchy of discrimination.

What is it with some people that they can't accept that, and want criticism of specific acts of terror, disregarding other acts of terror.
I stand by what I said.
All acts of terror are despicable, including state sponsored terrorism.
I am not going to list all the individual acts that, in your opinion, require specific mention.
There is no hierarchy of acts of terror. Otherwise where do we stop, and draw the line?

do you consider what Israel is doing to Gaza an act of terror?

or given that there are Hamas terrorists in Gaza perhaps you consider it to be reasonable action

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Filly is under the misapprehension that it is illegal to point out the actions of the State of Israel, when they are similar to the actions of other racist, apartheid and genocidal regimes.

He is mistaken.

Israel's propagandists would like such speech to be banned, but it is not illegal.

I welcome his attempts to find police support in banning free speech.

Perhaps we can compare the actions of the Netanyahu (and other political members) and the IDF to the nazis, and the political landscape of Israel to South Africa and Rhodesia during the height of the Apartheid regime.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

I visited a holocaust museum in Jerusalem, seeing a gold ingot made from teeth dug out from Jews mouths in concentration camps drives home the horror of what the Nazis did, and nothing Israel does or ever did comes even remotely close.

The Holocaust was an atrocity.
It does not, in anyway, excuse the current killing of women and children holding white flags, or queueing for food aid in Gaza.
That is a current atrocity by the IDF and is inexcusable.

Some of the Nazis were tried and convicted for their war crimes.
The IDF and the responsible Israeli politicians should also answer for their war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

No, he believes the constant comparison of Jews to Nazis is possibly a hate crime.

It's the actions of the two groups that are comparable, not the status of the two groups.
There's a difference.
Actions are an intentional choice of an individual.
The status of an individual is not a choice.