Asylum hotels

[Highway Man]

But you thought it was relevant to the killing that



And you now say that it was suicide.

Biking thinks that the killing was justified because

You are getting it wrong, a series of events led up to her being shot, she was shot legitimately and she died from her injuries

 

[Deluks]

There was no trial, she got shot through her own doing. It wasn't a death penalty it was more suicide if anything.

That is a heartless, nasty opinion.
(OMG!)

 

[Dec27]

Brexit caused the huge rise in small boats.

That’s rubbish and you know it

 

[morqthana]

That’s rubbish and you know it

It's not rubbish. It's not the only reason - increased security making stowing away on lorries etc harder made boats more attractive, and the market has performed as free-market supporters like in that the cost of a crossing has come down by about 90%.

But the fact that Brexit meant we could no longer return people has had a significant effect.

 

[securespark]

That’s rubbish and you know it

No it's not. I've posted why and proved it. I have quoted my post below.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

It was the loss of returns agreements after Brexit that caused an explosion in crossings.

Prof Brooks of Durham Uni published a report in February 2023 saying that he could find

“no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before” – not one case. But as “the UK prepared to leave its returns agreement, small boat journeys started”. And the people making those journeys grew in number, from the low hundreds in 2018 to tens of thousands in 2023.

https://share.google/WpLjbXbZAbYTLbdxO

 

[fillyboy]

But the fact that Brexit meant we could no longer return people has had a significant effect.

Not really. I assume the return facility you speak of is the Dublin Agreement but in the latter years, more people came into the UK via the Dublin Agreement than left.

Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK under the Dublin system

1. The Government stated in the Immigration White Paper (p.18) that they intend to seek to participate in the Dublin Regulation after Brexit. This agreement, which has been touted as a boon to the UK because it includes a provision on returning asylum seekers to their EU country of first...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Highway Man]

If we wasn't about to fallout with Trump, he might have lent us some ICE agents for a year or so, not now though.

 

[SPLINE]

The question is, what is being done now to sort the issue?

DIYF you don't quite get it. For the loonies, it's not about getting things done, it's about winning the Labour vs Tory or the Brexit vs remainer argument.

If you want you know about getting things done, look at my mass deportation plan on the 'And Another One' thread, post 160. The parasite protectors don't like it mind!

And on the other side of the pond see how my mate Don has done it. Trump has made American immigration negative for the first time in 50 years.

 

[morqthana]

Not really. I assume the return facility you speak of is the Dublin Agreement but in the latter years, more people came into the UK via the Dublin Agreement than left.

Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK under the Dublin system

1. The Government stated in the Immigration White Paper (p.18) that they intend to seek to participate in the Dublin Regulation after Brexit. This agreement, which has been touted as a boon to the UK because it includes a provision on returning asylum seekers to their EU country of first...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

Do you know if they still "intend to seek to participate"?

The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims. It also provided a legal route for reuniting separated asylum-seeking family members in the UK. The Regulation will no longer apply in the UK from the end of [2020].

The White Paper your link refers to was produced when Theresa May was PM.

The Commons Briefing Paper above dates from 2020, by which time she wasn't. It goes on to say

What future UK-EU co-operation did the Government want?

The Government did not want to replicate the provisions of the Dublin Regulation.

It proposed two draft agreements with the EU which related to certain specific aspects of the Dublin Regulation:

• an agreement on the transfer of unaccompanied asylum-seeking children for family reunion purposes
• a readmission agreement for accepting returns of irregularly residing UK/EU citizens and third country nationals.

The EU did not publish any comparable draft agreements.

 

[fillyboy]

Do you know if they still "intend to seek to participate"?

The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims. It also provided a legal route for reuniting separated asylum-seeking family members in the UK. The Regulation will no longer apply in the UK from the end of [2020].

The White Paper your link refers to was produced when Theresa May was PM.

The Commons Briefing Paper above dates from 2020, by which time she wasn't. It goes on to say

What future UK-EU co-operation did the Government want?
The Government did not want to replicate the provisions of the Dublin Regulation.
It proposed two draft agreements with the EU which related to certain specific aspects of the Dublin Regulation:

• • an agreement on the transfer of unaccompanied asylum-seeking children for family reunion purposes
  • a readmission agreement for accepting returns of irregularly residing UK/EU citizens and third country nationals.

The EU did not publish any comparable draft agreements.

That's a lot of waffle, even by your standards, but it doesn't address the fact that whilst we were in the EU, the only mechanism for returning migrants, the Dublin agreement, saw more migrants coming than going.

 

[SPLINE]

If we wasn't about to fallout with Trump, he might have lent us some ICE agents for a year or so, not now though.

Britain can only get back on its feet again by enlisting outside help.

The Dublin III Regulation enabled the UK to return some asylum seekers to EU Member States without considering their asylum claims. It also provided a legal route for reuniting separated asylum-seeking family members in the UK. The Regulation will no longer apply in the UK from the
The Government did not want to replicate the provisions of the Dublin Regulation.
It proposed two draft agreements with the EU which related to certain specific aspects of the Dublin Regulation:

• • an agreement on the transfer of unaccompanied asylum-seeking children for famunion purposes
  • a readmission agreement for accepting returns of irregularly residing UK/EU citizens and third country nationals.

The EU did not publish any comparable draft agreements.

Are you still claiming that you're not Himmy?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

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[noseall]

Are you still claiming that you're not Himmy?

Hypocrite alert!

 

[MNW67]

Hypocrite alert!

You've got to admire his balls!

 

[ReganAndCarter]

These engineers are very conscientous.