Under Obama and Biden it was carried out sensibly and intelligently across the whole country. Nobody would have a problem with that. It is Trump who has decided to turn it into a violent, militarised spectacle, targeting areas based not on the the number of illegal immigrants, but based instead on which politicians he hates.
Our political system, what 'is' the answer?
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Under Obama and Biden it was carried out sensibly and intelligently across the whole country. Nobody would have a problem with that. It is Trump who has decided to turn it into a violent, militarised spectacle, targeting areas based not on the the number of illegal immigrants, but based instead on which politicians he hates.
So no examples of the sort of naughty-speak in the nasty right-wing media that we all agree should be banned then?
Banning reporting and media organisations is a really dangerous direction to head in. But one that Starmer seems to think is a good one, along with every other ruthless dictator ever.
Banning reporting and media organisations is a really dangerous direction to head in. But one that Starmer seems to think is a good one, along with every other ruthless dictator ever.
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I know it doesn't, and it is (sort of, possibly, in a way, maybe). But it not containing ham is the whole point, not a stupid example.
I haven't lobbed any insults, let alone stupid brainless ones, at anybody here, just lamenting the decline in knowledge in society at large. I hadn't realised that the latter was a left-wing characteristic. Does the right-wing stand for lack of knowledge and learning, then?
Utter rubbish. Do you think they were all gently persuaded and asked nicely to leave if they didn't mind thank you in the past?
Not much has changed.
Leftyism has become a religious cult. You don't even know why specific things are bad, you've just been told to think that.
It's suddenly got very left-wing in here. Has it just got to doley breakfast time?
I would like all illegal immigration to end as soon as possible. But I also believe that the consequences of 40,000 people coming here illegally each year are often overstated. Even if it was to be ended tomorrow, most people would notice absolutely no difference to their quality of life.
As stated above, I believe there is something much bigger going on in the West. A combination of what is known as an 'existential vacuum' and something which has recently been called 'Westlessness'. It means that a large proportion of people in the West are angry and anxious, but they don't really understand why. They need some problem to blame for their anger and anxiety. Currently, it is the 40,000 illegal immigrants coming here each year. But I am positive that if that problem was solved, they would realise it hadn't made them feel any better, and they would move onto a new problem.
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The problem with FPTP is it leads to a constant to and fro between opposite ideologies...
And given the fact that most of the ills of the country are so difficult to solve short term by either side of the political divide, then consensus rather than conflict is what is needed...
Coalitions tend to even things out in the long term...
Reform supporters say that they ought to be given a go...
Why not give the whole system a different option in order to reflect the voices of all people rather than always a government of the minority!
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Or maybe they will decide things on a pragmatic, more cross-party consensual basis instead of ideological extremes.
FPTP means, almost always, "minority" governments, in that, almost always, less than 50% of the votes are cast for the party which wins. In theory, with FPTP, if we assume each constituency has a Conservative, Green, Labour, Lib Dem, Reform, and at least one "other" candidate, a party could end up having every single seat in Parliament, all 650 of them, with less than 17% of the votes.
The political system works
Granted a few rotten apples in the barrel but hey ho has always been so
No point throwing the baby out with the bath water
If I was starmer I would not resign and tell all of them left wing fruit cakes in the party to go and do one
Blimey if he goes the UK could end up with buffoon Milliband
Yes exactly
Granted a few rotten apples in the barrel but hey ho has always been so
No point throwing the baby out with the bath water
If I was starmer I would not resign and tell all of them left wing fruit cakes in the party to go and do one
Blimey if he goes the UK could end up with buffoon Milliband
Yes exactly
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As much as I despise their policies, it is not right to use FPTP to deny them any say in how the country is run.
Some thoughts which have occurred to me - none well thought through yet, so just brainstorming really.
Raise the minimum age so that MPs are more likely to have real-life experience.
Elected 2nd chamber. Different timeframe to MPs? Longer interval between elections?
Elected head of state, written constitution, HoS with powers & responsibilities completely independent of all elected representatives.
No party may field more than x% of candidates who are/were lawyers, y% financiers, z% public school educated, etc It would be nice if there was a way to say they must field a certain percentage who were teachers, healthcare, social services, emergency services, tradesmen, disabled, "clergy" from the main religions, ex-servicemen, local councillors, and so on, but I can't think how that would work without press-ganging.
No more General Elections - every year some seats come up for re-election, say 100, or 50 every 6 months, but not all at once. People wouldn't end up voting more often, and every MP would still have the same guarantee of remaining in post as they currently do, but there'd be a constant rolling refresh of Parliament. One benefit might also be that there'd be no way that party leaders and bigwigs would be able to campaign, as nationwide that would be far too much work, it would have to be just the people standing and their local party machine. No more media scrums, no more stupid photo-opp stunts.
There probably would have to be a way for the HoS to call a nationwide election in exceptional circumstances.
Have council elections at the same time. If in every local election people were also voting for their Westminster MP it might mean they become genuinely about local issues, and the candidates themselves, rather than proxies for Westminster.
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On what rational, evidence-led basis do you describe him as a buffoon?
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Please describe this "pot of gold".
And please be prepared to present a reasoned, evidence-based explanation of why it can justifiably be called "a pot of gold".
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More irony.
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To a some extent it's because they have been told they ought to be angry about things which are rooted only in fantasies and therefore the anger makes no sense.
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No it hasn't.
