Sorry, but this is important.

[Odds]

A bold choice of thread with so many neanderthal trolls in this forum these days.

 

[Highway Man]

You're going to find yourself shunned on here, I think.

Only by you leftys

 

[MNW67]

Only by you leftys

No, the opposite.

I think so anyway.

But I am happy to admit that I struggle with this issue.

 

[Highway Man]

No, the opposite.

I think so anyway.

But I am happy to admit that I struggle with this issue.

I care not if someone completely transforms themselves, Personally I wouldnt marry or go out with someone who had but I have no problems with anyone that does. The ones I have a problem with are the ones who identify as women and they are not.

 

[MNW67]

I care not if someone completely transforms themselves, Personally I wouldnt marry or go out with someone who had but I have no problems with anyone that does. The ones I have a problem with are the ones who identify as women and they are not.

I have no fixed views but I am interested in what others have to say on this topic.

 

[Highway Man]

I have no fixed views but I am interested in what others have to say on this topic.

I believe in live and let live, I dont judge people for what they want to do providing it. isnt interfering with me

 

[blup]

Who are "they"?

People who argue that a trans woman is a biological woman or to be treated as such.

Would you like an example of discrimination against a biological woman?

Offering breast feeding and other female only health and biological conditions to non biological women. Or calling women who breast feed, people who breast feed. As if thinking you are in the “wrong” body means you must be a biological woman or should be treated exactly as if you were.

This person is biologically a woman.

He's had chest surgery, hormone treatment which has given him facial hair and a deep voice, but no genital surgery.

As a biological woman, it's allowable to exclude him from single-sex spaces dedicated to men.

The issue is overwhelmingly with trans women, there will be far fewer circumstances where they will be justifiably excluded.

But the Supreme Court also ruled that trans men can be lawfully excluded from a female-only service "where reasonable objection is taken to their presence, for example, because the gender reassignment process has given them a masculine appearance or attributes to which reasonable objection might be taken in the context of the women-only service being provided".

So he can be excluded from, say, a men's changing room because he wasn't born with a penis, and also from the women's because he's grown a beard.

Where is he supposed to go?

I think most women would be alarmed at his presence in their changing room. So in a private changing cubicle in a shared gender space probably.

 

[morqthana]

Exactly,, Think on...

Why would he not want that?

Why would anybody?

 

[Highway Man]

Why would he not want that?

Why would anybody?

god only knows

 

[morqthana]

Fair enough.

 

[charliegolf]

Unfortunately, children are easily influenced and we must keep them safe from "charities" who see schools as recruiting grounds.

As a 30+ years schoolie, I'd love to know which charities are 'recruiting' children for anything in schools.

 

[Elsa TLC]

Thats a joke

Your not allowed to joke. If you do! Your far right and just a evil as Aldof Hitler.

 

[fixitflav]

Then yes. I have no problem with that senario

Same here.
Many years ago the number of men wanting to behave as a woman was very small, but those who did, even if they'd had no surgery, provided they weren't too obviously male, could use women's toilets and nobody would notice. He'd have the sense to avoid a situation with communal showers. If he's had the op, no problem even there. The trouble is caused by obvious males identifying as women and claiming access to women's spaces. Tightening the law to stop that has caused a problem for some genuine trans people.

The problem as I see it is the numbers claiming to be trans have exploded in recent years, and it can't all be spontaneous, a lot of it is due to others' prompting and encouragement, a wish to cause trouble, etc, etc.

 

[fillyboy]

As a 30+ years schoolie, I'd love to know which charities are 'recruiting' children for anything in schools.

'Recruiting' might have been a clumsy choice of word, or not, I'd have gone for 'encouraging'.

Charities​

The following charities are dedicated to promoting transgender rights in schools and supporting the needs of transgender and non-binary individuals:

• Mermaids: Offers training for schools and organizations to create a LGBTQIA+ inclusive ethos. They also provide resources and support for parents and professionals.
  
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• GIRES: A UK-wide charity that supports organizations and individuals to embed meaningful trans and gender-diverse inclusion. They provide evidence-based research and high-quality resources.
  
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• Trans and Non-Binary Education: A coalition of charities and education practitioners who oppose exclusionary guidance for schools and colleges on gender questioning children.
  
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• Just Like Us: A charity that works with schools and young people across the UK to ensure LGBT+ young people can thrive. They offer free LGBT+ inclusive resources and training.
  
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• Trans Unite: An online resource and directory of local and online support groups for trans and non-binary people in the UK.
  
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• LGBT Foundation: Provides resources for trans and non-binary individuals, including guides on medical practices and NHS access.
  
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  These organizations work tirelessly to ensure that transgender rights are upheld in educational settings and that support is available for all individuals.

 

[morqthana]

I believe in live and let live, I dont judge people for what they want to do providing it. isnt interfering with me

So no vicarious problems/judging of people you don't know, who aren't interfering with you, in spaces "belonging" to people you don't know, in circumstances you don't know.

OK.