Sorry, but this is important.

[morqthana]

I see you are familiar with Doctor Upton, a man who calls himself a woman.

I am sure you are already aware of the case.

If you have chosen to ignore the facets that show his behaviour in a poor light, I suggest you look again.

I notice you call him "she," suggesting that he is a woman. Please provide documented proof of that.

I am very pleased that you made the mistake of holding him up as an example of a man demanding access to reserved women's spaces.

You are now getting overexcited.

More vituperation.

More hate.

More wilful ignorance.

More denials of truth and facts.

More prejudice.

More driving to total polarisation.

More inflammatory language.


More pound-shop Spline stuff from you which makes it pointless ever trying to get you to behave in any reasonable way whatsoever.

 

[King Billy]

Where is this going? A 50 year old woman who has lived as a woman all her life has a hysterectomy, she is definitely still a woman.

You'd best tell HWM, he appears to have a different opinion.

Yes if you are struggling with that definition I will point out the obvious to you. Do they menstrate can they give birth, if the answer is yes to either of those questions then they are a female.

A man who feels like he wants to be a woman, although I feel for them and it must be terrible, isnt a woman.

Define what characteristics are reqired to be a woman. You can't just say a horse is a horse without being able to define what characteristics are required for it to be a horse.
And that is all the anti-trans people have doe so far, persistently stated that a woman is a woman without defining the required characteristics to be a woman.

Come on people, men and women are built differently

Men, women and intersex are built differently. The anti-trans brigade are having great difficulty in explaining how they are built differently.
The pro-trans brigade put it very simply: Sex is not binary, it's a spectrum. Agreed the vast majority can be accommodated into one or the other category, but billions of others don't and haven't. You cannot just deny their existence nor their human rights.

 

[King Billy]

You just seem very similar.

My mistake

One that you will, no doubt, repeat ad nauseum.

 

[King Billy]

Morqthana really, really doesn't like this fact:

"People who are not women are not entitled to access spaces and events that are reserved exclusively for women."

Does anybody seriously believe that he doesn't know what a woman is?

Clue:
It is not a man.

Unless you can tell us what a woman is, your comment is spurious and meaningless, because you can't prevent non-women from using spaces that are exclusively reserved for women.

 

[King Billy]

...that a married man, wearing holey boxer shorts in a women's changing room, becomes entitled to be treated as a woman when he puts lipstick on.

When and where was this?
Ot is it just another of your imaginative emotive examples of what you think of when transsexuals are concerned

 

[King Billy]

Here is Morqthana refusing to accept my simple and straightforward statement of fact. He pretends not to know that a man is not a woman.

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It would be interesting to see him attempt to define a woman in a way that includes a man such as Doctor Upton.

It's nonsense to expect anyone to define everything that is, by definition, not the thing that you are talking about.
For instance try telling us what is not a ball. The best that you could manage is the following, "if it's not a ball, it's not a ball".
Which is all you have done for that last few days and numerous pages.
You need to define what a woman or ball is before you can safely say, "that is not a woman or ball", and so far you have consistently refused to do so.
Take it further, you can not simply say, a screwed up piece of newspaper is not a ball, if you can't define what a ball is.

 

[King Billy]

And this is what a man who wants to compete in women's weightlifting looks like.

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That's an issue for sport and society to resolve. It doesn't belong in a discussion about the existence of sex as a spectrum and not a binary issue.
Presenting examples of possibly intersex people is hardly conducive to your theory that sex is binary.

 

[King Billy]

Show us your definition of a woman.

It's your claim that a woman is a woman. So you need to define the characteristics that define a woman.

 

[King Billy]

Transgenderism is an illness. Simple.

So is thinking your a dog. I think suffering from therianism or otherkinism is more serious than wanting to change gender.
Discuss it with you Veterinarian. They might be prepared to offer some surgery to reduce the number of legs you have, and show you how to walk upright.

 

[King Billy]

If someone disagrees with me im not too fussed why do you care so much?

Because you're likely to resort to violent behaviour.

Its male or female, anyone who told my child otherwise would get a smack in the chops

I had to push two of them over

 

[King Billy]

Nothing important about a man who thinks he is a woman, he may think he is one.

What criteria would you use to define a woman as a woman. I know you keep refuseing to do so. But while you can't define what a woman is you can't say who or what a woman isn't.

 

[King Billy]

Mainly because you don't address what is at issue -

We can't address the issue while JiohnD and others refuse to define what a woman is.
Simply repeating what a woman isn't does not resolve the issue, especially when that criteria is based on religious ideology or Victorian attitudes, or emotive language.

i.e. men pretending to be women then insisting they have the right to enter a woman's changing room or enter a woman's sport etc.

I don't think anyone has claimed that men pretending to be women have the right to enter women's changing rooms, or sports, etc.
If we can stick to the discussion at hand and not insert other issues that have not been said, we might get somewhere.

Rather, you waffle on about stuff completely irrelevant to what he is saying and what everyone else is concerned about.

See above.

 

[King Billy]

Type up your definition for us, there's a love.

Is it too long for you to type?

It's easier to copy and paste a view that I agree with, from Morqthana's link:

Sex isn’t as simple as male or female.
It’s not just about chromosomes. Or genitals. Or reproductive cells. Or any other binary metric.
“Sex is a multifaceted trait that has some components that are present at birth and some components that developed during puberty,” says Sam Sharpe. “And each of these components shows variation.” Sharpe is an evolutionary biologist at Kansas State University in Manhattan.

Biological sex is more complex than just male or female

Trying to define sex with just two options fails to reflect the wide range of natural variation in human genetics, hormones and biology.

www.snexplores.org

Now can you show us your definition of what a woman is, instead of the endless reptetitve comments of what a woman isn't?

 

[King Billy]

I have no interest in any of your suggestions. Try to control your wild imaginings.

I am, however, interested in women having the right to spaces and events where people are not admitted if they are not women.

I find it curious that you and people like you wish to deny them that right.

In order to assign that right, we need to define what a woman is, and you consistently refuse to do so.

 

[King Billy]

Yes SHE would be a woman why wouldn't she be

Not according to HWM's definition.
And he refuses to try again to define what a woman is.