Has anyone any sympathy?

[IT Minion]

Nonsense. Murder rates have steadily increased with population increases over the same period. There have been spikes throughout the same period.

The rate per 100,000 has increased since the 1950s, peaking in 2000 Ish and dropping since then. There has been a lot of changes in that time, it would be stupid to blame all the changes on ending the death penalty which is if course what Spline has done.

Homicide in England and Wales 1898 to 2024 - murdermap

Analysis of the number of homicides in England and Wales since 1898, according to official figures from the Office for National Statistics

www.murdermap.co.uk

Perhaps our population has become more peaceful since 2000

 

[IT Minion]

The Home Office have confirmed that 12,591,780 people in the UK have a criminal record.

https://unlock.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/FOI2024-05347-PNC-data-April-2024.pdf

Himmy isn't trolling you, he's just pointing out your error

Aha! I knew I'd seen this!

A Nominal record is retained until at least 100 years after a Nominal’s birth, regardless of the date of death.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-11/19427/#:~:text=Answered%20on,Law%20Enforcement%20Data%20Service%20(LEDS)

Congratulations, your FOI request number probably also includes dead people.

This is why Humanities students shouldn't be trusted with statistics.

 

[transam]

Deterent ??? Retribution is the point of capital
Punishment

Bloke turns up kills a fellas wife and two daughters no doubt to his guilt ( BBC commentator)

Put the scum bag 6 foot under weeks (?) after the show trial

 

[SPLINE]

Perhaps our population has become more peaceful since 2020

No. More crimes than ever are not recorded, or not reported, these days. The government's 'official' figures don't tell the whole truth.

 

[IT Minion]

No. More crimes than ever are not recorded, or not reported, these days. The government's 'official' figures don't tell the whole truth.

You think we've stopped recording murders since 2000? Are these like the times we were executing 1 in 10 people? Have you any connection with reality at all?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Deterent ??? Retribution is the point of capital
Punishment

Bloke turns up kills a fellas wife and two daughters no doubt to his guilt ( BBC commentator)

Put the scum bag 6 foot under weeks (?) after the show trial

Millions saved in the trial, and keeping the culprit alive, no chance of release, and a repeat - Job, jobbed.

 

[motorbiking]

Aha! I knew I'd seen this!

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-11/19427/#:~:text=Answered%20on,Law%20Enforcement%20Data%20Service%20(LEDS)

Congratulations, your FOI request number probably also includes dead people.

This is why Humanities students shouldn't be trusted with statistics.

You’ve made even more assumptions about the data, that are untrue. Please feel free to provide evidence that backs your claim that the 12.6m included dead people. You are asserting that the article unlocked wrote relying on their FOI is nonsense.

Maybe read about the 'Phoenix' project and learn that the PNC records only go back about 35 years.

 

[IT Minion]

Maybe read about the 'Phoenix' project and learn that the PNC records only go back about 35 years.

That's also wrong, they are spotty before 35 years ago because that's when they started digiting everything. Before that it was paper based and only serious events were digitised as part of the transition.

Thats very different to saying the only go back 35 years

 

[Highway Man]

I fail to see how having a death penalty could increase the number of murders, it doesnt make any sense at all, that suggests that those who are not murdering people may be swayed to do it because they fancy the death penalty. Ridiculous, it would surely make people think stuff that you get killed if you murder somone, it isnt an attraction.

 

[IT Minion]

Please feel free to provide evidence that backs your claim that the 12.6m included dead people. You are asserting that the article unlocked wrote relying on their FOI is nonsense.

Nominal records aren't removed until the person is 100, dead or not. I have given you the link.

And it isn't my job to defend an article you are relying on.

 

[SPLINE]

I fail to see how having a death penalty could increase the number of murders,

You have to be a loony-lefty to understand clever stuff like that.

 

[motorbiking]

Nominal records aren't removed until the person is 100, dead or not. I have given you the link.

And it isn't my job to defend an article you are relying on.

It’s your job to argue it’s wrong with evidence or be ignored. Take your pick

 

[IT Minion]

It’s your job to argue it’s wrong with evidence or be ignored. Take your pick

I have done so. Nominal records include dead people, the FOI is ambiguous about it they have been removed or not. a simple query for number of nominal records will bring back dead people.

And you ignore all the evidence I have provided so that's not a very meaningful threat. You still haven't acknowledged that you keep using the 44 million number wrongly.

 

[motorbiking]

I fail to see how having a death penalty could increase the number of murders, it doesnt make any sense at all, that suggests that those who are not murdering people may be swayed to do it because they fancy the death penalty. Ridiculous, it would surely make people think stuff that you get killed if you murder somone, it isnt an attraction.

It would depend on what crime you get the death penalty for. Who is going to come quietly if they know the sentence is death, who is going to leave possible witnesses etc.

 

[Highway Man]

It would depend on what crime you get the death penalty for. Who is going to come quietly if they know the sentence is death, who is going to leave possible witnesses etc.

That is more understandable