Assisted dying bill.

[Highway Man]

But every day hospices around the country give people drugs that "ease" the process.

Which in my opinion is more humane than ending their life, no expert in this but my personal opinion is where there is life there is hope.

 

[motorbiking]

I agree, but it also means there is a fine line between the two and obvious grey areas.

For example Midazolam and Morphine are frequently used in Hospices, despite the fact that combining morphine (an opioid) and lorazepam (a benzodiazepine)
causes severe central nervous system (CNS) depression, leading to profound sedation, respiratory distress, coma, and potential death. "These medications should generally not be used together unless prescribed, as they act synergistically to increase risks."

Its what I'd want if I was dying in lots of pain.

 

[pete01]

But every day hospices around the country give people drugs that "ease" the process.

My Dad had a syringe driver fitted in his last week, I think that's basically assisted dying.

 

[pete01]

Which in my opinion is more humane than ending their life, no expert in this but my personal opinion is where there is life there is hope.

They still suffer mate I've seen it first hand.

 

[motorbiking]

My Dad had a syringe driver fitted in his last week, I think that's basically assisted dying.

mine also got the full care package when his cancer took over him. It changed my view on assisted dying. Death is never going to dignified or painless in these circumstances, but the hospices do a fantastic job of making it as close as possible.

Every day I want to ask his advice.

 

[pete01]

Every day I want to ask his advise.

I know the feeling mate, my Dad's been gone 20 years now

 

[Highway Man]

I lost my Dad 6 years ago, he died in a terrible way, he had an aorta anurism whist that in itself was bad enough he never came out of Hospital. He was in Truro cornwall on holiday when it happened, he was transferred after 2 months to Hull Royal where it was easier to visit him, I visited him after work every evening without fail, I spent my whole weekends at his side hoping he was going to pull through, it took 10 months for him to die and was devastating but I felt a sense of relief for him upon him dying, I also felt very selfish as I was relieved too. He was on morphine and was quite out of it some nights, thinking there was pigeons and rats in his room, I couldnt have made a decision for assisted dying if it had been an option, just my thoughts and experience of it.

 

[pete01]

, I couldnt have made a decision for assisted dying if it had been an option,

I agree with that, maybe we should all sign something beforehand?

I know it's not easy.

 

[Highway Man]

I agree with that, maybe we should all sign something beforehand?

I know it's not easy.

Yes that is what I think, it should become part of your treatment without it being an option. Same as donor cards, I mean who wants to think of your body being cut up for parts, it should just be something that is out of our hands and just done as part of death

 

[blup]

Watching my mother die was entirely unsatisfactory.
She was in a care home. In those places they make sure you don't fall over etc etc so life is artificially prolonged.
She was frustrated as hell, hated it.
She said "They ought to be able to get the family in and give me a pill". That would do me, too.

With respect you can do that now

 

[Scof]

I agree, but it also means there is a fine line between the two and obvious grey areas.

For example Midazolam and Morphine are frequently used in Hospices, despite the fact that combining morphine (an opioid) and lorazepam (a benzodiazepine)
causes severe central nervous system (CNS) depression, leading to profound sedation, respiratory distress, coma, and potential death. "These medications should generally not be used together unless prescribed, as they act synergistically to increase risks."

Its what I'd want if I was dying in lots of pain.

The last missus Lard died from an incurable Glioblastoma brain tumour, a very aggressive form of cancer.

The way palliative care was explained to me is that the patient will feel no pain whatsoever throughout the process. Palliative care starts when several markers are met. They don't give you an exact date of death but these people administering palliative care know what they doing, it is what they do every day & may their God bless them for doing it.

Ultimately, it is the drugs that end the life. The doses in the final days are fatal.

 

[motorbiking]

sorry for your loss

 

[Justin Passing]

"They ought to be able to get the family in and give me a pill". That would do me, too.

With respect you can do that now

Oh? How?

If you mean I can do it now, yes, I can, easily. The only difference is that there's nobody to come and watch.

Religion is inevitably bound up in this, but if you remove all of that, then getting out of bed/chair/off the floor in the morning, is pretty pointless. Once you've had your life hollowed out/amputated by in my case, the death of a lifelong partner, there's no fun, no enjoyment, just a steepening struggle to get to the next, steeper bit, to merely stay alive. That's just a built-in urge without which there wouldn't be the species, but theres no value in having it, as far as I can see.

I'm a pile of "chattels" which nobody I know particularly needs or would want to wade through, except for monetary value.
But the law won't allow me to roll up at some appropriate facility to say, "ok I'm ready".
Why?

 

[blup]

Oh? How?

If you mean I can do it now, yes, I can, easily. The only difference is that there's nobody to come and watch.

Religion is inevitably bound up in this, but if you remove all of that, then getting out of bed/chair/off the floor in the morning, is pretty pointless. Once you've had your life hollowed out/amputated by in my case, the death of a lifelong partner, there's no fun, no enjoyment, just a steepening struggle to get to the next, steeper bit, to merely stay alive. That's just a built-in urge without which there wouldn't be the species, but theres no value in having it, as far as I can see.

I'm a pile of "chattels" which nobody I know particularly needs or would want to wade through, except for monetary value.
But the law won't allow me to roll up at some appropriate facility to say, "ok I'm ready".
Why?

I’m not sure the proposed legislation would cover your present circumstances.