RNLI

[noseall]

Migration and illegal migration are different things.

Providing a service to assist illegal small boats, encourages them to come. The people smugglers know they will be helped and often don't even put enough fuel in the boat for the journey. If support was exclusively left to boarder force finding a "skipper" would be harder, given the likelihood he would be identified for prosecution.

Good job border force agents don’t provide a service to smugglers or encourage them to come over then.
Another nonsense truthless fact free post from chicken biker.

 

[noseall]

They, along with the border force are a contributing factor for illegal migration and asylum seekers

utter nonsense.
Have you posted anything truthful in this thread yet?

 

[noseall]

There are or were other factors, e.g. weather, tides, variations in beach patrols, launching from Belgium, etc.

Correct…..
Tidal currents profoundly affect small boat crossings in the English Channel. Navigating the 21-mile Dover Strait requires crossing some of the strongest and most complex tidal streams in Europe.

Old pugwash needs to swat up on his “coast hugging for beginners” manual. If brains were dynamite he wouldn’t have enough to blow his sailors cap off.

 

[ellal]

Providing a service to assist illegal small boats, encourages them to come.

Ah, so they are now partly to blame then according to you

If support was exclusively left to boarder force finding a "skipper" would be harder, given the likelihood he would be identified for prosecution.

Actually as a recent report has found, it's actually easier to find a skipper and harder to track down the smuggling gangs since the UK withdrew from the EU databases that would increase the likelihood of detection...

Otherwise how do you explain the increase in mall boat numbers and few prosecutions since 2020?

But as always you miss the point due to your warped ideology...

The RNLI is a service that prevents people dying at sea...

Do tell us exactly what you would say to the crews (who are mainly volunteers), when ordering them to let people drown.

 

[Mottie]

Ah, so they are partly to blame then

Yeah, in the same way that policing was partly to blame when shoplifting incidents sky rocketed once it was known that nobody would be prosecuted if the goods were worth less than £200.

 

[ellal]

Yeah, in the same way that policing was partly to blame when shoplifting incidents sky rocketed once it was known that nobody would be prosecuted if the goods were worth less than £200.

Thank you for making that analogy...

It backs up the real reason for the increase in crossings since 2020...

Namely withdrawal from EU databases which makes detection and prosecution of the smuggling gangs much harder, thus encouraging them...

You can praise 'good old nige' for that one

 

[morqthana]

And would you put a cap on that or just keep taking and taking until the country was bled dry?

And there we go with another attempt at total polarisation-there-are-only-two-diametrically-opposed-positions, done with the aim of poisoning and frustrating any sensible discussion.

 

[motorbiking]

In what category do asylum seekers appear?


They don't assist them, they rescue them. There's a difference.

They pick them up and take them to their destination, like a taxi

Under what scenario would a Boarder Force skipper be prosecuted?

You've misunderstood. The skipper of the illegal immigrant's boat can be prosecuted for the offence of facilitation. That requires evidence / witness statements confirming who was at the helm. a Volunteer SARs organisation cannot be expected to capture and preserve evidence.

 

[motorbiking]

Waffle and nothing at all to do with what I said.
Poor try.

facts I knew you'd struggle with them.

 

[Koolpc]

 

[motorbiking]

Correct…..
Tidal currents profoundly affect small boat crossings in the English Channel. Navigating the 21-mile Dover Strait requires crossing some of the strongest and most complex tidal streams in Europe.

Not from one year to the next and it makes little difference if they set off when the tide is strongest ebb or flood. They will experience tides that travel one way and the other way in roughly equal amounts during their crossing.

Old pugwash needs to swat up on his “coast hugging for beginners” manual. If brains were dynamite he wouldn’t have enough to blow his sailors cap off.

feel free to post your passage plan for scrutiny.

A small boat wishes to cross the channel on Wednesday 15th July from calais to Dover at 9:30 local time. what is his course to steer and how is this affected by tide?

 

[morqthana]

who said they were?

.

So the RNLI/border force taxi simply needs to ask them where are you intending to go.

if they say England, then the offence is committed if they say France then call the French navy for a return ride.

I do not buy the story that these people are newly converted Christians or homosexuals but accept people say what they think will work.

are you seriously trying to suggest the above is a claim that

"the RNLI is to blame for the spectacular rise in immigration"

I would seriously suggest that it's part of a long-running, drip-drip-drip of crticism of the RNLI for saving the "wrong sort of lives" in the Channel, aimed at alienating large chunks of the population and allowing the idea to take root that the RNLI are indeed acting as a pull-factor, i.e. are indeed responsibe for at least some of the increase because they provide a service to small boats which encourages them to come.

Because some people do think like that, you know.

Migration and illegal migration are different things.

Providing a service to assist illegal small boats, encourages them to come. The people smugglers know they will be helped and often don't even put enough fuel in the boat for the journey. If support was exclusively left to boarder force finding a "skipper" would be harder, given the likelihood he would be identified for prosecution.

They, along with the border force are a contributing factor for illegal migration and asylum seekers.

TL;DR version:

are you seriously trying to suggest the above is a claim that

"the RNLI is to blame for the spectacular rise in immigration"

Yes.

 

[ellal]

They pick them up and take them to their destination, like a taxi

As you claim...

But you still won't answer this question...

"Do tell us exactly what you would say to the crews (who are mainly volunteers), when ordering them to let people drown"

Why won't you tell us what you would say?

Because if the RNLI were ordered to stand down people would die...

It's as simple as that - people would die!

But hey, maybe you don't care if it's only the 'wrong type of people'?

 

[motorbiking]

You're saying the weather is always the same at the same time each year?
I beg to differ.

Nobody has said that

Well you seem to be under the impression that wind and tides are the same, at the same time each year. We all know, and so do the National Ocean Service that to not be true. And it was Filly that showed his book. If that book suggests that tides, weather and currents are always the same at the same time each year, I would suggest the title of the book is incorrect. It should have been entitled "Sailing, by Dummies".

Each year the tides are broadly the same as the previous year. Nothing much changes about the orbit of the sun and the moon, from one year to the next that would make any significant impact on navigation. The tides do not fall at the same time every day, because the cycle is just under 6.5 hours.

And of course currents are affected by tides and weather conditions.

Tides affect currents correct - its simple gravity the water must move from one place to the other based on the pull of the moon and the sun. Atmospheric pressure has a negligible impact on navigation. A tide being 10cm higher makes f**all difference to a plan.

 

[fixitflav]

As you claim...

But you still won't answer this question...

"Do tell us exactly what you would say to the crews (who are mainly volunteers), when ordering them to let people drown"

Why won't you tell us what you would say?

Because if the RNLI were ordered to stand down people would die...

It's as simple as that - people would die!

But hey, maybe you don't care if it's only the 'wrong type of people'?

Serious questions - are immigrants housed near where you live, and do you have any daughters?