RNLI

[motorbiking]

As you claim...

But you still won't answer this question...

see previous answers

"Do tell us exactly what you would say to the crews (who are mainly volunteers), when ordering them to let people drown"

Stand down - BorderForce are on task

Why won't you tell us what you would say?

Because if the RNLI were ordered to stand down people would die...

BorderForce, the French Navy and any vessel in the vicinity as coordinated by the coastguard would act.

It's as simple as that - people would die!

But hey, maybe you don't care if it's only the 'wrong type of people'?

Its simply not true.

 

[Koolpc]

Dinghys are selling rapidly on Nosealls online RNLI support page!!!

 

[noseall]

Not from one year to the next and it makes little difference if they set off when the tide is strongest ebb or flood. They will experience tides that travel one way and the other way in roughly equal amounts during their crossing.

feel free to post your passage plan for scrutiny.

A small boat wishes to cross the channel on Wednesday 15th July from calais to Dover at 9:30 local time. what is his course to steer and how is this affected by tide?

You are arguing in our favour lol. Thanks for proving us right.

 

[morqthana]

Stand down - BorderForce are on task

So if you were in the position of responding to a call for assistance from HM coastguard your response would be "Nah, not coming, mate - you sort it out. Bye"?

Is that permitted under International Maritime Law?

BorderForce, the French Navy and any vessel in the vicinity as coordinated by the coastguard would act.

In 2025, 94.3% of the people rescued were aided by agencies other than the RNLI.

So of the 5.7% where the RNLI rescued them, why do you think HM Coastguard called them out? Malice? Caprice? Some sort of lottery?

 

[motorbiking]

So if you were in the position of responding to a call for assistance from HM coastguard your response would be "Nah, not coming, mate - you sort it out. Bye"?

If I was tasked to assist, did not fear piracy, had capacity etc, I'd take them back to France

Is that permitted under International Maritime Law?

Provided it is for good reason

In 2025, 94.3% of the people rescued were aided by agencies other than the RNLI.

So of the 5.7% where the RNLI rescued them, why do you think HM Coastguard called them out? Malice? Caprice? Some sort of lottery?

Which is exactly the point.
- 1/3rd of their key south coast stations call outs are to assist illegals. It's a significant cost, one that their books show they could do without.
- their non-police status and willingness to help encourages the gangs. There are plenty of sources that confirm this.
- a change in procedure would risk no lives.

 

[motorbiking]

You are arguing in our favour lol. Thanks for proving us right.

poor boyo is confused again. Tides have no impact on the number of people who choose to cross each year.

If you want to argue..

Tidal currents profoundly affect small boat crossings in the English Channel. Navigating the 21-mile Dover Strait requires crossing some of the strongest and most complex tidal streams in Europe.

Surely you can work this out? if I have 3 hours of ebb and 3 hours of flood on a 6 hour crossing. The affect isn't profound at all and neither are the Dover straits complex or particularly strong. You want to look at the Chanel islands and west coast of Cherbourg for strong tides.

 

[King Billy]

They pick them up and take them to their destination, like a taxi

More like an ambulance.
It's an emergency. RLNI and Ambulances only carry those in genuine need, otherwise..... get a taxi.

You've misunderstood. The skipper of the illegal immigrant's boat can be prosecuted for the offence of facilitation.

If they are acting within their job description, not stealing or being cruel, etc then it's the responsibility of the organisation, not the individual employed to carry out the task and function of that organisation.

When medical compensation, etc is awarded, it's the corporation that pays, not the individual involved.
So long as the individual is operating to carry out the function of the corporation/organisation, the individual's action are the responsibility of that organisation.

That requires evidence / witness statements confirming who was at the helm. a Volunteer SARs organisation cannot be expected to capture and preserve evidence.

What are you on about?
All the crew will know who was at the helm, who was in charge, etc.
Volunteer organisations will be as slick as any professional organisations, and will know who was in charge, who was at the helm, etc.
You suggested that Border Force sippers could be prosecuted.
I asked under what scenario could they be prosecuted?

And why would Border Force skippers be harder to recruit?

 

[motorbiking]

More like an ambulance.
It's an emergency. RLNI and Ambulances only carry those in genuine need, otherwise..... get a taxi.

No they frequently act as the AA or uber

If they are acting within their job description, not stealing or being cruel, etc then it's the responsibility of the organisation, not the individual employed to carry out the task and function of that organisation.

When medical compensation, etc is awarded, it's the corporation that pays, not the individual involved.
So long as the individual is operating to carry out the function of the corporation/organisation, the individual's action are the responsibility of that organisation.

The skipper of the illegal boat commits a crime - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/25/enacted?view=plain

What are you on about?
All the crew will know who was at the helm, who was in charge, etc.
Volunteer organisations will be as slick as any professional organisations, and will know who was in charge, who was at the helm, etc.

You are confused about who is prosecuted - see above.

You suggested that Border Force sippers could be prosecuted.
I asked under what scenario could they be prosecuted?

And why would Border Force skippers be harder to recruit?

Nobody has said this - pay attention

 

[King Billy]

Stand down - BorderForce are on task

BorderForce, the French Navy and any vessel in the vicinity as coordinated by the coastguard would act.

You, more than most, probably realise the more boats effecting a rescue, the more eyes on the job, the greater the chance of a fully uneventful successful rescue, especially when it gets dark and /or the weather turns.

 

[motorbiking]

The best people to affect a rescue in an emergency are usually those who are closest and of course if we could somehow encourage the French police to stop them or turn them back, there would be fewer people put in danger.

 

[King Billy]

No they frequently act as the AA or uber

Now who or what are you talking about?
How can Ambulances, RLNI or Border Force act as Uber's or the AA.

The skipper of the illegal boat commits a crime - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/25/enacted?view=plain

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/25/enacted?view=plain

You are confused about who is prosecuted - see above.

Your original comment was confusing. The only boat/[personnel mentioned was Border Force:

If support was exclusively left to boarder force finding a "skipper" would be harder, given the likelihood he would be identified for prosecution.

So your sole reason for limiting any rescue by border force is to increase the likelihood of a prosecution?
The more boats and eyes on scene increase the probability of a successful rescue., with reduced risk for the rescuers.
So you'd prefer fewer rescuers and greater risk for the casualties and the rescuers in order to slightly raise the chance of a prosecution?
RLNI boats and personnel are equipped with cameras, including helmet cameras to record rescues.
Additionally, the RLNI boats are better equipped for high speed travel in rougher waters, and for search and rescue.
Border Force boats are built for endurance and to carry a larger group of people.

Nobody has said this - pay attention

Your original comment was unclear who you were referring to. Hence my question.
If you're going to be vague and obscure, you can expect questions for clarification.
If you are then rude to the person asking for clarification you're trolling, and your vagueness and obscurity was intentional.

 

[King Billy]

The best people to affect a rescue in an emergency are usually those who are closest and of course if we could somehow encourage the French police to stop them or turn them back, there would be fewer people put in danger.

Of course the closest are the best to effect a rescue. There;'s a good chance of RLNI getting there first, they're better equipped for search and rescue, then transferring a large group to Border Force.
The French Police cannot apprehend a boat mid-channel if that boat does not want to be apprehended, without serious risk of loss of life.
I would have thought you'd be more aware of that than any other.

The French police are intercepting the so-called taxi boats near the French shore, but these boats only carry a few passengers. The larger boats that they meet up with in deeper waters are too large and overcrowded to make interception safe.

 

[motorbiking]

Now who or what are you talking about?
How can Ambulances, RLNI or Border Force act as Uber's or the AA.

The RNLI will frequently tow a vessel in difficulty who does not have SeaStart or similar. They do not charge for this.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/25/enacted?view=plain

Your original comment was confusing. The only boat/[personnel mentioned was Border Force:

So your sole reason for limiting any rescue by border force is to increase the likelihood of a prosecution?

Yes - the skipper should be prosecuted it acts as a deterrent.

The more boats and eyes on scene increase the probability of a successful rescue., with reduced risk for the rescuers.
So you'd prefer fewer rescuers and greater risk for the casualties and the rescuers in order to slightly raise the chance of a prosecution?
RLNI boats and personnel are equipped with cameras, including helmet cameras to record rescues.
Additionally, the RLNI boats are better equipped for high speed travel in rougher waters, and for search and rescue.
Border Force boats are built for endurance and to carry a larger group of people.

BorderForce incercept 90+% was it? They seem to do fine

Your original comment was unclear who you were referring to. Hence my question.
If you're going to be vague and obscure, you can expect questions for clarification.
If you are then rude to the person asking for clarification you're trolling, and your vagueness and obscurity was intentional.

If you bother reading my reply in post 278 you'll see I clarified.

 

[King Billy]

are to assist illegals.

What is an Illegal?

 

[motorbiking]

Of course the closest are the best to effect a rescue. There;'s a good chance of RLNI getting there first, they're better equipped for search and rescue, then transferring a large group to Border Force.

it is the coastguard who coordinates.

The French Police cannot apprehend a boat mid-channel if that boat does not want to be apprehended, without serious risk of loss of life.

Of course they can

I would have thought you'd be more aware of that than any other.

The French police are intercepting the so-called taxi boats near the French shore, but these boats only carry a few passengers. The larger boats that they meet up with in deeper waters are too large and overcrowded to make interception safe.

so they can't be intercepted because its too dangerous but they can be rescued because it isn't.

What is an Illegal?

have a wild guess