Advice on moving double socket to allow for radiator

[morqthana]

Sunray - I get the impression from you referencing this thread in another one that you think I'm arguing with you cynically, and insincerely, just to wind you up.

What kind of life you have led, what kind of behaviour you are used to in yourself, your friends, your family, your work colleagues, which leads you to think that anybody who argues with you can't be genuine I shudder to think.

The simple fact is that that the regulation says

" ... Where the cable is connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on any surface of the wall or partition, ... "

A blanking plate does not have a cable connected to it.

A junction box recessed into the wall is not on the surface of the wall.

The simple fact is that I genuinely and sincerely believe that you are wrong, and that there is absolutely no way to "interpret" the regulation to not mean what it clearly and unequivocally says in black and white.

The simple fact is that I am arguing with you because you are wrong, and that therefore there is a moral imperative to challenge your incorrect assertions.

I'm not doing it for sport. Such an idea is entirely imaginary, and suggests arrogance on your part to assume that as you can't be wrong no argument against you can be genuine.

 

[SUNRAY]

Sunray - I get the impression from you referencing this thread in another one that you think I'm arguing with you cynically, and insincerely, just to wind you up.

Quite the contrary, I don't believe you are attempting to wind me up.

What kind of life you have led, what kind of behaviour you are used to in yourself, your friends, your family, your work colleagues, which leads you to think that anybody who argues with you can't be genuine I shudder to think.

Eh?

The simple fact is that that the regulation says

" ... Where the cable is connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on any surface of the wall or partition, ... "

A blanking plate does not have a cable connected to it.


A junction box recessed into the wall is not on the surface of the wall.

However terminals mounted in the recessed back box can have cable connected to it. Just in case you dont know what a junction box is and the way many of them have been manufactured I suggest you look them up, there is an almost unlimited combination out there.
However a junction box recessed into the wall with an exposed front plate is on the surface of the wall in exactly the same way as a 13A socket etc.

The simple fact is that I genuinely and sincerely believe that you are wrong, and that there is absolutely no way to "interpret" the regulation to not mean what it clearly and unequivocally says in black and white.

The simple fact is that I genuinely and sincerely believe that you are wrong in as much as you have no idea what types of junction box are available and what form they are permitted to take.

The simple fact is that I am arguing with you because you are wrong, and that therefore there is a moral imperative to challenge your incorrect assertions.

In that case I suggest you write multiple pages of proof that I am wrong in describing junction boxes. If you are able to find that proof I'll happily apologise for getting it wrong.

I'm not doing it for sport. Such an idea is entirely imaginary, and suggests arrogance on your part to assume that as you can't be wrong no argument against you can be genuine.

Why are you introducing sport into your flawed arguement?

 

[securespark]

The simple fact is that that the regulation says

" ... Where the cable is connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on any surface of the wall or partition, ... "

A blanking plate does not have a cable connected to it.

Flameport, in the quoted post, said:

To create a zone, the wiring has to be connected to the accessory. A blank plate has no connections for wiring so doesn't create any zones.

The definition that is crucial here is:

point (in wiring).
A termination of the fixed wiring intended for the connection of current-using equipment.

I have just come off the phone to Michael at the IET tech helpline.

He assured me that making off connections behind a blank plate is very much a compliant practice and keeps the cables in a "safe" zone, providing they were correctly positioned in the first place. Just because the conductors are attached only to connectors does not mean they are not "intended for the connection of current-using equipment".