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cantaloup63
Naz, it's late and I'm drunk, but as with so many things you seem to post nowadays you views are of a lightweight numpty and show a huge disrespect of your family's adopted new homeland.
The anti poppy group banned.
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without our brave people fighting for us (of all nationalities) and losing their lives for freedom, where would we be today?
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Why not sit on the fence - mind the splinters dearIt was not only men that lost their lives during wars.
It really makes me sad that so called logical thinking people that are so anti war, that they can't, or will not want to remember our fallen heroes during two world wars.
Yes we have freedom but at what cost....there are surely other ways to solve conflict other than just killing thousands sometimes millions of innocent people.
I am not sure on the second comment.....brave men 'and women' does that make it right ? why 'why not sit on the fence'
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I agree of course, but try telling that to the millitant extremists - you know the ones - the rag head kill for no purpose sh*t for nothing brain damaged supposedly sensible people of the Middle East. You know the ones, the same as Ironaz supports. The same ones that want to kill anyone that says anything bad against Islam, but has no tolerance 2with OUR society.
It aspires to OUR brave men and women. Women played a huge part in both wars. My Mum was in the Land Army. Unlike Muslim women that are forced to wear Letter Boxes and not allowed a normal life.
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joinerjohn
Naz seems to conveniently forget the thousands of Muslims who fought during the war, on our side, against the axis powers. He disrespects their memory, just as much as any other nation who fought against the enemy, at the time.
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These Muslims who died, have your respect then do they?? you patronising to55er
A drunken moment of clarity,, FFS
If their own don't respect them, how can you criticize someone else?
I expect the usual pc, nonsensical reply. Please don't disappoint me.
IronNaz is right of course. What most of you can't see is past the utter bull we are force fed daily through our state controlled media as to why our "brave(uneducated, rather thick in the main) troops" are being maimed and killed. And also why immigration on the levels we(and the rest of Europe and the Americas) are being subjected to in the name of multi-culturalism and globalisation. By the erosion of national identity in any so called melting pot we are easier to manipulate and control, yep, it's the next phase of the New World Order.
All the wars of the last century didn't "just happen", just like the "unforseen" recessions/depressions etc. The Third Reich ended but was not polished off, it moved to the US where the Fourth Reich is well under way.
Thing is- I've read so much now that has opened my eyes as to what is going on in the world and the best analogy I have is that we are, as nations, just f**king global gangsters protecting our own interests and screwing over every other **** in the process to survive. Unless there is a MASSIVE paradigm shift on how we interact, use resources, treat each other as humans then I'm sorry to say I actually am glad I'm part of the biggest gangster group(US/UK) on the block, cos with a well f**ked off middle east, a massively exploding Indian/China population(resource demands/pollution etc) it does ,against all my inner beliefs, seem that an aggressive policy to all these people is the only way to ensure our survival in a failing west. If they(as in us) ever develop a genome type specific virus you can be sure it'll be used.....
Poppies? War? I naively thought as a 20yr old when the Berlin wall came down that the troubles were over. They've only just started folks....
All the wars of the last century didn't "just happen", just like the "unforseen" recessions/depressions etc. The Third Reich ended but was not polished off, it moved to the US where the Fourth Reich is well under way.
Thing is- I've read so much now that has opened my eyes as to what is going on in the world and the best analogy I have is that we are, as nations, just f**king global gangsters protecting our own interests and screwing over every other **** in the process to survive. Unless there is a MASSIVE paradigm shift on how we interact, use resources, treat each other as humans then I'm sorry to say I actually am glad I'm part of the biggest gangster group(US/UK) on the block, cos with a well f**ked off middle east, a massively exploding Indian/China population(resource demands/pollution etc) it does ,against all my inner beliefs, seem that an aggressive policy to all these people is the only way to ensure our survival in a failing west. If they(as in us) ever develop a genome type specific virus you can be sure it'll be used.....
Poppies? War? I naively thought as a 20yr old when the Berlin wall came down that the troubles were over. They've only just started folks....
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I didn't realise that the rest of Europe and America treat immigrants the same way we do here in the UK. Hmmm let me think,, Nah, their not treated the same way though are they?
The French deport immigrants as they see fit. America deports thousands of Mexican people back over the border every year. Germany won't confer German citizenship to children of immigrants.
Only here in the UK is national identity being eroded. Only in this country can an illegal immigrant claim the right to a quiet family life,,, nowhere else in the world upholds this belief for immigrants.
I regularly visit the Czech Republic. Even in the middle of their capital Prague, let alone the rest of the country, people of different cultures and skin tones are a rarity. More often than not, they are a tourist.
I really feel deeply sad for the Czech people. They are missing out on the wonderful benefits that we all enjoy, being part of a multi-cultural society. Benefits like hmmmm, and then there's................ - sorry you'll have to give me some time. I'm told there are many benefits and advantages for us, so it shouldn't take me too long to think of one. Maybe someone can help me?
But then I think how selfish the Czechs must be, wanting to maintain their own centuries old traditions, religion, identity, language, culture and a collective common sense of purpose. How dare they keep the housing for their own people. Don't they have abundant empty flats and houses like us, that they can offer to anyone to all comers from the four corners of the world. How mean, not wanting to overload their schools and hospitals, so that locals suffer ever lowering standards of education and long waiting lists.
These Czechs must be crazy missing out on diverse, vibrant multicultural society, where everyone from the whole world can turn up and help themselves. The sort of place where you don't know if your new neighbour is grooming young girls for sex, or is an international criminal, or perhaps a terrorist.
Absolute madness!
I really feel deeply sad for the Czech people. They are missing out on the wonderful benefits that we all enjoy, being part of a multi-cultural society.
Benefits like hmmmm, and then there's................ - sorry you'll have to give me some time. I'm told there are many benefits and advantages for us, so it shouldn't take me too long to think of one. Maybe someone can help me?But then I think how selfish the Czechs must be, wanting to maintain their own centuries old traditions, religion, identity, language, culture and a collective common sense of purpose. How dare they keep the housing for their own people. Don't they have abundant empty flats and houses like us, that they can offer to anyone to all comers from the four corners of the world.
How mean, not wanting to overload their schools and hospitals, so that locals suffer ever lowering standards of education and long waiting lists. These Czechs must be crazy missing out on diverse, vibrant
multicultural society, where everyone from the whole world can turn up and help themselves. The sort of place where you don't know if your new neighbour is grooming young girls for sex, or is an international criminal, or perhaps a terrorist. Absolute madness!
Flower of the eternal sleep
Watching with the ones who weep -
You, whose lives, so short in bloom,
Watched the bloodshed, death and gloom.
You trembled to the sound of guns
Which tore to death beloved sons.
You fluttered, died before your time –
Dropped blood red petals in their prime.
Crimson poppies 'neath the clouds,
Short lived, yet colourful and proud;
Now worn by people with such pride
Remembering those who bravely died -
You represent young lives cut short -
Those who, for freedom, bravely fought.
Flower of the eternal sleep
Silently your vigil keep.
Watching with the ones who weep -
You, whose lives, so short in bloom,
Watched the bloodshed, death and gloom.
You trembled to the sound of guns
Which tore to death beloved sons.
You fluttered, died before your time –
Dropped blood red petals in their prime.
Crimson poppies 'neath the clouds,
Short lived, yet colourful and proud;
Now worn by people with such pride
Remembering those who bravely died -
You represent young lives cut short -
Those who, for freedom, bravely fought.
Flower of the eternal sleep
Silently your vigil keep.
They may well be but I would sooner have them protect me with a gun than you with a pen.
Poppies, poppies, poppies! What are they all about?
There was a time when I thought I knew. That would have been back in the mid-sixties when kids my age gradually gave up chanting "In 1944, we won the war -- " (historically inaccurate but it rhymed) and started to think about the very real possibilty of World War III.
There was a growing protest against war in general which was spilling over into a protest against poppies but our history teacher put us right: "If you want to blame somebody for wars blame politicians, not the poor s*d who got his leg blown off." I immediately thought of the old man in our street who used to sit in a wheelchair in his front doorway on sunny mornings. He needed the wheelchair because he only had one leg.
So I ignored all the comments about how poppies glorified war and wore one every year. Then, some time in the seventies, I heard about white 'peace' poppies, though I never actually saw one. What was that all about? Surely the red poppy was a peace poppy! I think it was about then that I gave up actually wearing a poppy but I always paid for one (my logic was that poppies cost money to make).
But this year the whole poppy controversy seems to have kicked off again. Is it just my perception or did people on TV start wearing them excessively early? And how come they've all got one? Does everybody who appears on any kind of chat show get given one on the way in? Or, more likely, are they cajoled into buying one before they're allowed in front of the camera. I suppose that's consistent with the way so many charities wave direct debit forms under our noses and tell us how much we should give them. Sorry but no deal!
And so I've given up. There seems to be little hope that the poppy - at least the red one - will not cause arguments over the rights and wrongs of some war or other. Soldiers don't start wars and the 'poor s*d who got his leg blown off' deserves all the help he can get so I paid for two poppies this year - but I won't be wearing one. Rant over.
There was a time when I thought I knew. That would have been back in the mid-sixties when kids my age gradually gave up chanting "In 1944, we won the war -- " (historically inaccurate but it rhymed) and started to think about the very real possibilty of World War III.
There was a growing protest against war in general which was spilling over into a protest against poppies but our history teacher put us right: "If you want to blame somebody for wars blame politicians, not the poor s*d who got his leg blown off." I immediately thought of the old man in our street who used to sit in a wheelchair in his front doorway on sunny mornings. He needed the wheelchair because he only had one leg.
So I ignored all the comments about how poppies glorified war and wore one every year. Then, some time in the seventies, I heard about white 'peace' poppies, though I never actually saw one. What was that all about? Surely the red poppy was a peace poppy!
I think it was about then that I gave up actually wearing a poppy but I always paid for one (my logic was that poppies cost money to make).But this year the whole poppy controversy seems to have kicked off again. Is it just my perception or did people on TV start wearing them excessively early? And how come they've all got one?
Does everybody who appears on any kind of chat show get given one on the way in? Or, more likely, are they cajoled into buying one before they're allowed in front of the camera. I suppose that's consistent with the way so many charities wave direct debit forms under our noses and tell us how much we should give them. Sorry but no deal! And so I've given up. There seems to be little hope that the poppy - at least the red one - will not cause arguments over the rights and wrongs of some war or other. Soldiers don't start wars and the 'poor s*d who got his leg blown off' deserves all the help he can get so I paid for two poppies this year - but I won't be wearing one. Rant over.
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joinerjohn
Well Space Cat, at least you have paid for a few poppies, even though you haven't worn one. God Bless You guvnor.
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joinerjohn
Well Space Cat, at least you have paid for a few poppies, even though you haven't worn one. God Bless You guvnor.
PS Keep a close eye on the groups who are "anti poppy." Don't think you'll find any indigenous Brits in amongst them (and I use the word indigenous loosely, before anyone starts on about their rights, and they've been born in the UK. Had they been born in Germany, they couldn't claim German citizenship)
This is a highly offensive, inaccurate, disrespectful comment insulting millions upon millions of people. It is clear the racist bigotted views you hold and i really should not give you the time of day.
However try and appreciate just what those in the middle east have had to endure over the years and it may help you understand why so many are so hostile towards the west.
Firstly most of the brutal dictatorships that we have seen over the years, from Mubarak, Assad, Bahrains royals and the Saudi royals have been imposed on these people by the west after the middle east was carved up in the early 20th century. Not only imposed but propped up for decades by the USA, UK and Europe to serve the interests of the west. These savages have killed thousands of their "own" people, used brutal torture and suppressed these people for a long time at the behest of western governments. Its only now that the people are rising up that they are starting to get rid of the savages they have had imposed on them. You have no idea what these people have had to endure for so long, and the fear they have lived under whilst the west cosied up with these dictators.
Secondly, the west have been engaged in bombing the middle eastern countries for many years causing thousands of deaths. Libya, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon amongst others. You may see the blood of these people as cheap, but these people are family to me so what affects them affects me.
Again what absolute utter racist nonsense. I have a number of women in my family who wear the veil and to claim they are oppressed and have no freedom, or are forced to wear the veil is again complete nonsense and just shows you for the racist ignorant individual you are. For a start all the women are educated and hold degrees and have successful careers or their own businesses.
Before you make such ignorant comments in future, i suggest you actually hear what these woman have to say in regards to why they wear the veil. You'll be surprised when you hear articulate, well spoken, well educated women tell you how they chose to dress as they do.
There are two sides to every story and the world is not as black and white as you wish to see it as. I suggest you open your eyes to your own bigotry and hatred of those different to you and address this, before you start pointing fingers at others.
Also, stop following the nonsense the tabloid press come out with. Your not a sheep, you have a minjd of your own, start using it, stop being told what to think.
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