Given that you are a right-wing extremist, at what point do you think these asylum seekers are illegal migrants, during the process that you described?
The clue is in the question.
At what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that it's obvious by the label you have to be in a country to be an immigrant?
They're failed asylum seekers. If they don't go back voluntarily, they do become illegal immigrants.
Nothing to do with TidesMore strawmen arguments.
Because it's not all about tides.
Both noseall and I have consistently said that the risks and opportunities are caused by a combination of several influences.
You're inventing your own private argument, for you to argue with yourself.
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When they arrive illegally in the first country or safe country and fail to claim asylum.At what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that it's obvious by the label you have to be in a country to be an immigrant?
I can feel a "you're on ignore" coming on.
They're failed asylum seekers. If they don't go back voluntarily, they do become illegal immigrants.
Now back to the asylum seekers, at what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that you and several others insist on referring to asylum seekers as illegal migrants?
Ask MotorBi…..
You're insisting on this strawman argument.Nothing to do with Tides
We very clearly said there are other factors to be considered.
So as non-experts, we educated you in the various factors that influence the number of small boat arrivals.
The tide cancels out the wind, the wind cancels out the current, the current cancels out the rain, the rain cancels out the little engine?
You've demonstrated that you have little understanding of the combination of weather, tides, currents, etc.
So if they claim asylum at the first opportunity, they're not illegal migrants?
When they apply for asylum, possibly before even arriving in UK, on the Border Force boat.. So they never were illegal immigrants.
It wasn't for. You and Mottie, Koolpc, et al all seemed to struggle with it for hours.
illegalsSo if they claim asylum at the first opportunity, they're not illegal migrants?
Glad we got this far.
When they apply for asylum, possibly before even arriving in UK, on the Border Force boat.. So they never were illegal immigrants.
Are you still calling your house a boat or a train, or a castle? When it's really just a house
It wasn't for. You and Mottie, Koolpc, et al all seemed to struggle with it for hours.
we got there. Someone who has no right to enter or remain, but do so anyway. There is nothing straw man about correcting you and Nosenout that tides make no difference to the number of illegals who arrive each year and neither do they affect the steering of a boat crossing Calais to Dover.You're insisting on this strawman argument.
No-one ever said the arrival of small boats was just about tides, except you.
We put you right.
We very clearly said there are other factors to be considered.
So as non-experts, we educated you in the various factors that influence the number of small boat arrivals.
Don't you feel a little bit silly?
The tide cancels out the wind, the wind cancels out the current, the current cancels out the rain, the rain cancels out the little engine?
I wonder why you swallowed the fly.
You've demonstrated that you have little understanding of the combination of weather, tides, currents, etc.
Correct. The tidal currents combined with other factors can affect the numbers of successfully completed or attempted voyages.
I don't think anybody has said that these other factors are a major force. It's the combination of the tide, the weather and the othe factors.
The government website seem to have it down to a fine art.
I think, if I understood you correctly, I would argue the opposite is true. The longer periods would tend to show a regression to the mean.
Or in one year there were more storms than usual.
You're insisting on this strawman argument.
No-one ever said the arrival of small boats was just about tides, except you.
We put you right.
Tidal currents can dramatically affect an underpowered vessel in The Channel, significantly altering its steering control and overall speed. In narrow or constricted waterways, where water moves at its fastest, even moderate currents can cause a boat to drift sideways, miss intended waypoints, or struggle to make headway. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Combined with other factors.
In case Pugwash missed this earlier post..
