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[Mottie]

What is a King?

In what context?

In the context of your latest user name.

 

[Mottie]

Now tell us what an illegal migrant is.

Someone who migrates to a country that they have no legal right to be in. The clue is in the name.

What classification of people is it that Labour have boasted about sending back to their home countries in record numbers - not legal migrants surely?

 

[King Billy]

no mention of Tides.

More strawmen arguments.
Because it's not all about tides.
Both noseall and I have consistently said that the risks and opportunities are caused by a combination of several influences.

There are or were other factors, e.g. weather, tides, variations in beach patrols, launching from Belgium, etc.

Depends what other conditions they are combined with.
Tidal currents can be favourable or unfavourable so yes, it can make a difference.

You're inventing your own private argument, for you to argue with yourself.

 

[King Billy]

You are really blinded by you extreme leftist woke mindset aren't you!

Given that you are a right-wing extremist, at what point do you think these asylum seekers are illegal migrants, during the process that you described?

I can understand that you are unable to give a sensible answer, so abusive behaviour is your only resort.

 

[King Billy]

In the context of your latest user name.

The clue is in the question.

 

[King Billy]

Someone who migrates to a country that they have no legal right to be in. The clue is in the name.

At what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that it's obvious by the label you have to be in a country to be an immigrant?
I can feel a "you're on ignore" coming on.

What classification of people is it that Labour have boasted about sending back to their home countries in record numbers - not legal migrants surely?

They're failed asylum seekers. If they don't go back voluntarily, they do become illegal immigrants.
But we're not talking about those. We're talking a about people arriving on small boats.

Now back to the small boat arrivals, at what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that you and several others insist on referring to asylum seekers as illegal migrants?

 

[motorbiking]

More strawmen arguments.
Because it's not all about tides.
Both noseall and I have consistently said that the risks and opportunities are caused by a combination of several influences.




You're inventing your own private argument, for you to argue with yourself.

Nothing to do with Tides .

You could have said. Yes I understand that tides don’t impact the numbers. Thank you.

You and Nosenout continue to argue about a subject you have zero knowledge of.

If you were both honest I think you’d admit that you didn’t understand that they can cancel each other out if you set off at the right time.

Something the illegals have worked out.

 

[motorbiking]

At what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that it's obvious by the label you have to be in a country to be an immigrant?
I can feel a "you're on ignore" coming on.


They're failed asylum seekers. If they don't go back voluntarily, they do become illegal immigrants.

Now back to the asylum seekers, at what point do they become illegal immigrants, given that you and several others insist on referring to asylum seekers as illegal migrants?

When they arrive illegally in the first country or safe country and fail to claim asylum.

They cease to be illegals when they obtain the necessary authority.

Why is this so hard?

 

[noseall]

In the context of your latest user name.

Ask MotorBi…..

 

[King Billy]

Nothing to do with Tides .

You're insisting on this strawman argument.
No-one ever said the arrival of small boats was just about tides, except you.
We put you right.

You could have said. Yes I understand that tides don’t impact the numbers.

We very clearly said there are other factors to be considered.

You and Nosenout continue to argue about a subject you have zero knowledge of.

So as non-experts, we educated you in the various factors that influence the number of small boat arrivals.
Don't you feel a little bit silly?

If you were both honest I think you’d admit that you didn’t understand that they can cancel each other out if you set off at the right time.

The tide cancels out the wind, the wind cancels out the current, the current cancels out the rain, the rain cancels out the little engine?
I wonder why you swallowed the fly.

Something the illegals have worked out.

You've demonstrated that you have little understanding of the combination of weather, tides, currents, etc.

 

[King Billy]

When they arrive illegally in the first country or safe country and fail to claim asylum.

So if they claim asylum at the first opportunity, they're not illegal migrants?
Glad we got this far.

They cease to be illegals when they obtain the necessary authority.

When they apply for asylum, possibly before even arriving in UK, on the Border Force boat.. So they never were illegal immigrants.
Are you still calling your house a boat or a train, or a castle? When it's really just a house

Why is this so hard?

It wasn't for. You and Mottie, Koolpc, et al all seemed to struggle with it for hours.

 

[morqthana]

not from one year to the next.

Combined with other effects, such as weather, other traffic, change in launching sites, etc it will make a difference.

I don't see how it can, as it is not a major force to be reckoned with. Weather of course can be.

Also, there's no easy way to detect a difference. The shorter the periods are that you compare, the higher the potential for unrepresentative "other effects" to affect one of them, and the longer they are the more things even out. Regression to the mean, I believe it's called.

At certain times of year you can't even compare one month to another if in one of the years there were bad storms.

 

[motorbiking]

So if they claim asylum at the first opportunity, they're not illegal migrants?
Glad we got this far.


When they apply for asylum, possibly before even arriving in UK, on the Border Force boat.. So they never were illegal immigrants.
Are you still calling your house a boat or a train, or a castle? When it's really just a house


It wasn't for. You and Mottie, Koolpc, et al all seemed to struggle with it for hours.

illegals we got there. Someone who has no right to enter or remain, but do so anyway.

You're insisting on this strawman argument.
No-one ever said the arrival of small boats was just about tides, except you.
We put you right.


We very clearly said there are other factors to be considered.


So as non-experts, we educated you in the various factors that influence the number of small boat arrivals.
Don't you feel a little bit silly?


The tide cancels out the wind, the wind cancels out the current, the current cancels out the rain, the rain cancels out the little engine?
I wonder why you swallowed the fly.


You've demonstrated that you have little understanding of the combination of weather, tides, currents, etc.

There is nothing straw man about correcting you and Nosenout that tides make no difference to the number of illegals who arrive each year and neither do they affect the steering of a boat crossing Calais to Dover.
You’ve jumped about and dragged in half the internet when all you had to do is say - yep fair point, tides are irrelevant.

 

[noseall]

I don't see how it can, as it is not a major force to be reckoned with. Weather of course can be.

Also, there's no easy way to detect a difference. The shorter the periods are that you compare, the higher the potential for unrepresentative "other effects" to affect one of them, and the longer they are the more things even out. Regression to the mean, I believe it's called.

At certain times of year you can't even compare one month to another if in one of the years there were bad storms.

Correct. The tidal currents combined with other factors can affect the numbers of successfully completed or attempted voyages.
Pugwash is drowning in his own blarney on this one.

 

[King Billy]

I don't see how it can, as it is not a major force to be reckoned with. Weather of course can be.

I don't think anybody has said that these other factors are a major force. It's the combination of the tide, the weather and the othe factors.
For instance, the forced launching from one beach to another e.g from northern France to Belgium will be a problem to be overcome.
There's the peculiar sea conditions to become familiar with, and the transport of equipment and people to that beach.

Also, there's no easy way to detect a difference.

The government website seem to have it down to a fine art.

The shorter the periods are that you compare, the higher the potential for unrepresentative "other effects" to affect one of them, and the longer they are the more things even out. Regression to the mean, I believe it's called.

I think, if I understood you correctly, I would argue the opposite is true. The longer periods would tend to show a regression to the mean.
But we are talking about nature, and nature is no respecter of the mean.

At certain times of year you can't even compare one month to another if in one of the years there were bad storms.

Or in one year there were more storms than usual.
The UK gets between 10 and 20 storms per year. With 2 to 12 being sufficiently severe to deserve a name.