15YO boiler condemned as flue too long??? Please advise?

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by dazzawazza, 12 Mar 2012.

  1. dazzawazza

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    Hello,
    After fixing my Glowworm Swiftflow 75E I decided to get some insurance including a service and safety check.
    So I did some investigation on the Internet and went for a deal with my current provider’s policy.

    During the service I briefly spoke to the engineer on the phone, who said the flue is too long and there's no terminal. I then had to go to a meeting so didn't speak again. The engineer explained nothing to my wife who was home at the time.
    When I got home there was a big red danger sticker on the boiler and a gas installation warning notice. Also, the service check list has not been completed apart from additional information regarding the flue length.

    The maximum flue length in the installation manual (which I left available for the engineer) is 2833mm; my measurement of the flue, being VERY generous on both the wall thicknesses is 2740mm. The boiler is in a cupboard next to the bathroom and extends straight through the bathroom and outside wall (no bends).

    The boiler has been installed in the house for the 11 years I have been there, and probably another 4 judging from the model.
    Is the Engineer correct? I accept there's no terminal guard, which is easy to remedy.

    Thanks
     
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  3. Dan Robinson

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    How many bends does it have?
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    :oops: :oops: :LOL:

    Sounds like they are trying to not have to cover an old boiler.


    Save your money and put it towards a new one in your own time.
     
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    No bends it is a straight side flue as below.

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    Cheers
     
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    On the face of it the engineer was wrong and ask the company to clarify. If you have no joy there then complain to Gas Safe.
     
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    Many thanks, I wanted some advice before contacting the company.

    Also, on the service record the 30 point check list hasn't been filled out.
    Could this indicate he didn't do a service.??

    Cheers
     
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    If there's no terminal then it'll 100% unsafe
     
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    They probably mean terminal guard.

    Or you would hopes so at least.
     
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    Dazza take a photo ff the flue terminal and let us see it.
     
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    Hi, I checked the flue terminal this morning and found that it had fallen behind the garden shed. I have now re-attached:


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    I'll also order and install a terminal guard and repair the rendering around the flue.

    With the terminal problem sorted, should I go back to the company and ask for a second opinion about the flue length?
    I quite sure it's within the installation manual guide lines.

    Many thanks.
     
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    Reattached :confused:

    I'd say that needs looking at.
     
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    It fits snuggly around the inner exaust pipe.
    I also added a very thin layer of silicone, but was going to do some research on the heat/steam tolerance.

    I think originally it was held in place by concrete. The entire installation looks a bit cowboyish to me. It happend when the property was council owned.

    Is what I've done dangerous?

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    Silicon is not a suitable material to hold a flue outlet together.
    nor is a flue terminal held together by concrete
     
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    In the time it took that Engineer to do all that paperwork (AR) he could have found the terminal, fixed it back with a couple of self tappers, measured the flue length to compare with MI's - if that terminal is less than 2 mtr from the ground it will need a wire guard this could be classified as NCS at worst, but then some companies see a boiler of that age and think pound notes!!£££££££££££££££££££££££££ :(
     
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