How, exactly? By making your views known to your MP? Since when have they ever taken notice of what the proles want or think they want?
6 weeks without charge
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For about a month every 4 or 5 years.
Well currently, we work in the democratic system, and need to lobby, petition join/form pressure groups or use other means to get our individual points across to elected representatives. And at election time we each make our feelings known.
The alternative is to just sit back and do nothing "as no-one listens to me".
Thats the political system we have to work with at the moment
The alternative is to just sit back and do nothing "as no-one listens to me".
Thats the political system we have to work with at the moment
Yep, sh1te innit.
Yes and then of course we believe all those promises they make to us to garner our vote...well, probably the pondies, pikies, chavs and others who should never have the vote do, but anyone with an ounce of brain cells should know that they're all just complete ****s, every single man-jack of them.
But oihm not bitter and cynical
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But oihm not bitter and cynical
.guys ,can we trust the cops a few examples of bad cops, 
one killed on doorstep last week turn out to be a pedo, female cop stabed by hit man sent by husband ,turnd out she ran a vice ring ,cop on bail for killing his wife , nips round to her mothers and kills her 
so the cops are not as clean as we would like them 4 weeks should be enough ,the rest of the world also has terror but not 6 weeks without charge , forget the yanks, if you get pulled in the U.S.A. ITS TWO DAYS 
I THINK
one killed on doorstep last week turn out to be a pedo, female cop stabed by hit man sent by husband ,turnd out she ran a vice ring ,cop on bail for killing his wife , nips round to her mothers and kills her so the cops are not as clean as we would like them 4 weeks should be enough ,the rest of the world also has terror but not 6 weeks without charge , forget the yanks, if you get pulled in the U.S.A. ITS TWO DAYS I THINK
The whole 'time limit' thing is to be able to intern people without too much attention...
When it was 14 days the media took notice when someone approached that 'limit'...
At 28 days, nothing is heard of those going over 14 days...
At 42 days, no-one will be interested about those going over 28 days...and so on..
Expect another attempt for 90 days, and it's not inconceivable for indefinate (with laughable 'safeguards')..
At that point we'll not hear about innocent people being held for months or even years!
And there is NO evidence that 42 days (let alone 28 or 14) actually makes us any safer...it just gives plod an excuse to be lazy!!
When it was 14 days the media took notice when someone approached that 'limit'...
At 28 days, nothing is heard of those going over 14 days...
At 42 days, no-one will be interested about those going over 28 days...and so on..
Expect another attempt for 90 days, and it's not inconceivable for indefinate (with laughable 'safeguards')..
At that point we'll not hear about innocent people being held for months or even years!
And there is NO evidence that 42 days (let alone 28 or 14) actually makes us any safer...it just gives plod an excuse to be lazy!!
You mean we could end up with an unelected PM
like Gordie Since January 2004 only eleven people have been detained under the 28 day legislation. Nine of the eleven were arrested in the swoop that brought about the restrictions on carrying liquids on aircraft. Out of the eleven only six were held to the maximum 28 days and from those six three were charged and three released without charge.
So only three people a year as a rough average and nine arrested in one swoop. If the nine hadn't been picked up the figure would be a lot lower but I suspect there would have been a few planes dropped from the sky.
I can understand what woody is getting at, its not so much the application of the law but the fact that it has eroded the fundemental systems of law and freedom ( the magna carta and habeas corpus for starters) and there will be many grey areas from now on, The danger now will be any future controls and not necessarily for terrorism or control of criminals even will be far easier to bring in, this could affect ones right to freedom of speech, the right to strike who knows what a can of worms this will open?
It also sounds like the house of lords will be powerless to overturn this from happening.
History has shown what happens when a government gets to wield too much power. At the moment its may seem trivial but once the floodgates are open and in years to come will we live to regret this decision?
It also sounds like the house of lords will be powerless to overturn this from happening.
History has shown what happens when a government gets to wield too much power. At the moment its may seem trivial but once the floodgates are open and in years to come will we live to regret this decision?
I don't feel that my freedom has been eroded by adding another 14 days on a 28 day detention order.
This change in the law is more about Gordie asserting himself in front of his troops and the voters than about the change itself. If he had lost his case he would have had to stand down methinks.
This change in the law is more about Gordie asserting himself in front of his troops and the voters than about the change itself. If he had lost his case he would have had to stand down methinks.
For those who have missed the point, it's not about terrorists, killers and immigrants. It's about the right to arrest anybody and hold them on suspicion of terrorism without actually having enough evidence to charge them, for up to 6 weeks.
Why do they need this law? Surely they would have a fair enough reason to arrest someone in the first place and if after 4 weeks of questioning and investigation into that reason, they haven't found any evidence of wrongdoing, then that means that either a) the police aren't very good at their job, or b) the person arrested hadn't actually done anything wrong in the first place.
I can't think why the government are using up so much of their precious time on this issue when there are so many other problems in this country that need addressing.
The way some people go on you'd think that every train, plane, and auto(bus)mobile had it's very own terrorist on board, waiting for the call to blow everyone to kingdom come, were it not for the government and it's policies protecting us all from certain injury and death.
Who was the last person in this country that was released without charge after xx many days behind bars, who then went on to commit an act of terrorism?
Why do they need this law? Surely they would have a fair enough reason to arrest someone in the first place and if after 4 weeks of questioning and investigation into that reason, they haven't found any evidence of wrongdoing, then that means that either a) the police aren't very good at their job, or b) the person arrested hadn't actually done anything wrong in the first place.
I can't think why the government are using up so much of their precious time on this issue when there are so many other problems in this country that need addressing.
The way some people go on you'd think that every train, plane, and auto(bus)mobile had it's very own terrorist on board, waiting for the call to blow everyone to kingdom come, were it not for the government and it's policies protecting us all from certain injury and death.
Who was the last person in this country that was released without charge after xx many days behind bars, who then went on to commit an act of terrorism?
I agreed with the first line of your post, its not about terrorists or any other organization its about fundamental rules that were decided long ago being eroded, the danger is this may in turn eventually erode all peoples rights one way or another
