6kg ceiling light

[Gerrydelasel]

So can you access the ceiling from above, or not? Let's get this bloody lamp hung already.

 

[Echo the husky]

But at that magnification/resolution it's hard to be absolutely sure.

Looks ok to me.

 

[JohnW2]

I doubt that there is a single person responsible for making, importing, or selling that light who is within the jurisdiction of the UK, and therefore is subject to any laws concerning safety etc.

Is it actually possible for bulk supplies of products to find their way from China into a warehouse in Exeter without someone within the jurisdiction of the UK being deemed to be, and taking responsibility as, the 'importer'?

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Probably - there will just be shipping/transportation companies etc, retained by the people in China, ditto property companies renting warehouse space. They will process documentation etc on behalf of their client, in just the same way that eBay or Amazon process orders and payments, and they will no more be held accountable for "importation" than eBay/Amazon/whoever is held accountable for selling.

 

[mishel02]

Ive tapped the ceiling and I think they exisiting celing rose is screwed into a joist, I am still thinking I might send it back and buy a lighter one from a shop, im quite worried about it being dodgy now

 

[JohnW2]

Probably - there will just be shipping/transportation companies etc, retained by the people in China, ditto property companies renting warehouse space. They will process documentation etc on behalf of their client, in just the same way that eBay or Amazon process orders and payments, and they will no more be held accountable for "importation" than eBay/Amazon/whoever is held accountable for selling.

Maybe. I was just wondering whether it was possible to import something into the UK without their being a UK-based 'importer'. There surely must be some 'importation documents' to be completed, and I might have expected a requirement for them to be completed by whoever was 'receiving them' in the UK. I know it's a specialised field, but such is certainly true of medicines (the UK-based 'importer' even has to have an appropriate 'import licence' in that case), so I wondered if it applied more generally.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

Ive tapped the ceiling and I think they exisiting celing rose is screwed into a joist ...

If that is the case, then there would be no problem in supporting 6kg from that joist, but ...

... I am still thinking I might send it back and buy a lighter one from a shop, im quite worried about it being dodgy now

That is obviously a totally different issue, and is totally up to you. If you went for a much more expensive product bearing a well-known Western brand, there would be less risk (but not zero risk) of it being 'dodgy'.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Maybe. I was just wondering whether it was possible to import something into the UK without their being a UK-based 'importer'. There surely must be some 'importation documents' to be completed, and I might have expected a requirement for them to be completed by whoever was 'receiving them' in the UK. I know it's a specialised field, but such is certainly true of medicines (the UK-based 'importer' even has to have an appropriate 'import licence' in that case), so I wondered if it applied more generally.

I don't know.

But what happens when you post things?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

If you went for a much more expensive product bearing a well-known Western brand, there would be less risk (but not zero risk) of it being 'dodgy'.

True, but you would have a level of reassurance from there being a manufacturer and/or a retailer with a presence in the UK, and therefore subject to UK laws which you would hope would be some sort of deterrent against making and selling dangerous goods.

 

[JohnW2]

I don't know. But what happens when you post things?

Posting individual items to end-buyers in the UK from China or anywhere else clearly introduces a whole different set of problems/issues, but I thought we were talking about a situation in which bulk supplies of product were transferred from China to a UK warehouse - surely 'formal import' (subject to all import regulations, controls and documentation etc.) by anyone's reckoning?

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

True, but you would have a level of reassurance from there being a manufacturer and/or a retailer with a presence in the UK, and therefore subject to UK laws which you would hope would be some sort of deterrent against making and selling dangerous goods.

That's why the risk would be lower. It's for the buyer to decide where to find a personally-acceptable compromise between the level of 'risk' and the cost of a product (and whatever other factors they wish to take into consideration).

Kind Regards, John

 

[sparkwright]

Despite an earlier comment, a 1950s house certainly could have original plasterboard. Very likely, in fact.

Also, in the 1950s, people did things properly, so it is very likely there is a joist or wooden noggin at the light position.

Sadly noggins are getting very rare on new buildings now, especially those with metal framework .

 

[securespark]

My Mum's house was built in 1957 and has plasterboard ceilings throughout.

 

[sparkwright]

And noggins no doubt!

 

[333rocky333]

Despite an earlier comment, a 1950s house certainly could have original plasterboard. Very likely, in fact.

That was me, i never realised it was around in the 50.s, sorry.
come to think of it thats when they used to nail it up

Mischel, regarding the light, from your pic the electrics visible looks good , uk coloured heat resisting wiring and provision for earth, a lot of lights nowadays are italian and sold in reputable shops like B+Q and they are cheap and nasty, with cheap plastic electrical parts and the electrics look far worse than what you have, can you post a pic of where the lamps go in the holder, if they are reasonable quality, I would keep it, if it is real crystal too then you may have had a good deal