71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

[Notch7]

It's ironic really.

The fishing industry and the government are saying they would like the EU to change the rules to reduce trade barriers.

But the UK is not part of the EU so it has zero say in the setting of these rules.

And Brexit was about taking back control

 

[fillyboy]

Rebuttal: Why Brexit didn't cause a 68% Drop in Exports to the EU - Briefings For Britain

Why Brexit didn’t cause a 68% Drop in Exports

This Sunday saw the Guardian publish a sensationalist piece about declining exports. In it, it claimed that Brexit had caused ‘fury at Gove’ due to Brexit-related 68% drop in exports. Yet such claims need to be taken with a sizeable pinch of salt. For one thing, the article cited compares this January’s exports with the previous January’s: hardly a fair comparison given the COVID effect on the world economy between 2020 and 2021. It also ignores the fact that EU manufacturers stocked up on British goods in anticipation of disruption last month, and trade has only begun to pick up as they run down their stockpiles.

Moreover, the figure of a 68% decrease is highly questionable: the Road Hauliers’ Association hasn’t explained how it’s come up with it. It may well represent the month’s lowest point, of a 61% fall in the first few days after Brexit, rather than the complete monthly average of a 29% decrease in traffic. It’s a particularly cynical ploy because the official trade statistics probably won’t be published until mid-March, by which time the issue will have been safely forgotten. In all, it’s a regrettable indication of how far Remain-leaning outlets are willing to embrace dubious statistics and sensationalism in order to maintain a (commercially profitable) climate of Brexit hysteria.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Rebuttal: Why Brexit didn't cause a 68% Drop in Exports to the EU - Briefings For Britain

Why Brexit didn’t cause a 68% Drop in Exports

This Sunday saw the Guardian publish a sensationalist piece about declining exports. In it, it claimed that Brexit had caused ‘fury at Gove’ due to Brexit-related 68% drop in exports. Yet such claims need to be taken with a sizeable pinch of salt. For one thing, the article cited compares this January’s exports with the previous January’s: hardly a fair comparison given the COVID effect on the world economy between 2020 and 2021. It also ignores the fact that EU manufacturers stocked up on British goods in anticipation of disruption last month, and trade has only begun to pick up as they run down their stockpiles.

Moreover, the figure of a 68% decrease is highly questionable: the Road Hauliers’ Association hasn’t explained how it’s come up with it. It may well represent the month’s lowest point, of a 61% fall in the first few days after Brexit, rather than the complete monthly average of a 29% decrease in traffic. It’s a particularly cynical ploy because the official trade statistics probably won’t be published until mid-March, by which time the issue will have been safely forgotten. In all, it’s a regrettable indication of how far Remain-leaning outlets are willing to embrace dubious statistics and sensationalism in order to maintain a (commercially profitable) climate of Brexit hysteria.

Sensationalist statistics are not only misleading, but actively pernicious.​

No where near as bad as blatant lies though.

So what is your estimate of the reduction in exports.
To refute an article you must have made your own assessment.

 

[Notch7]

by which time the issue will have been safely forgotten

No it won't.

Delays will get worse.
Businesses will start running out of stockpiles, somwill have to reorder and face all the problems.

"Fifteen-Hour Brexit Wait Prompts Freight Firms to Avoid U.K"

"The price of shipping cargo from France to Britain was still 42% above the third-quarter average last week"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rexit-wait-prompts-freight-firms-to-avoid-u-k

 

[fillyboy]

Freight traffic slumps and costs soar as Brexit friction bites | Business News | Sky News

Freight traffic between Britain and the EU is down almost a third following the end of the Brexit transition, with new red tape and soaring transport costs prompting some small firms to suspend exports to the continent.

Data seen by Sky News shows lorry freight passing between Britain and its major European trading partners since 1 January has fallen dramatically compared to the same period in 2020.


Daily truck volumes between Britain and European Union countries, including France, Ireland and the Netherlands, fell by 61% in the first days of January and are 29% down on average in the first 20 days of the year, according to logistics data company Sixfold.

 

[Notch7]

Daily truck volumes between Britain and European Union countries, including France, Ireland and the Netherlands, fell by 61% in the first days of January and are 29% down on average in the first 20 days of the year, according to logistics data company Sixfold.

If you read the Road Haulage Associations statement, it said exports to Europe were down 68%.

Around 70% of the trucks returning to Europe were empty.

Exports are not the same as trucks

 

[Notch7]

Moreover, the figure of a 68% decrease is highly questionable: the Road Hauliers’ Association hasn’t explained how it’s come up with it. It may well represent the month’s lowest point, of a 61% fall in the first few days after Brexit, rather than the complete monthly average of a 29% decrease in traffic

Typical lies from a Brexit propaganda site.

Here they are conflating traffic with trade.

 

[Vinty]

You are pretending to have forgotten that it was the UK that chose to resign from the Single Market and give up the worlds finest Free Trade arrangement.

UK is now being treated like any other Third Country, in accordance with whatever terms it has agreed.

Every day 1000's of containers arrive in EU ports from 3rd countries , do you really believe they get the same paperwork as Notch 7 has posted.

 

[fillyboy]

Every day 1000's of containers arrive in EU ports from 3rd countries , do you really believe they get the same paperwork as Notch 7 has posted.

Of course not.

 

[JohnD]

Every day 1000's of containers arrive in EU ports from 3rd countries , do you really believe they get the same paperwork as Notch 7 has posted.

Give me a example of a country that does a lot of trade with the EU.

Norway?

Turkey?

Can you name one that ripped up 40 years of trade deals and integration?

And came out with worse terms than it had before?

 

[Notch7]

Every day 1000's of containers arrive in EU ports from 3rd countries , do you really believe they get the same paperwork as Notch 7 has posted.

fresh fish and meat dont come in by container


lorries yes go and look at Swiss border, Norway border, Turkish border

even go and listen to lorry drivers that remember the delays before the single market.

 

[Notch7]

and more brexit red tape, this time damage to farmers

 

[^woody^]

Every day 1000's of containers arrive in EU ports from 3rd countries , do you really believe they get the same paperwork as Notch 7 has posted.

Of course he does. And those 71 documents need filling in every. single. time.

Here's the notch quoting dept

 

[transam]

Dare say it will all get sorted

blimey there are bound to be teething problems

jeez us we have only been out for a few weeks as such

so the fishing industry has been thrown under the lorry

s*** happens if all the remoaners are so concerned eat more fish and make sure it’s UK caught

they will probably do the opposite and insist on foreign caught fish

 

[Vinty]

Give me a example of a country that does a lot of trade with the EU.

Norway?

Turkey?

Can you name one that ripped up 40 years of trade deals and integration?

And came out with worse terms than it had before?

What about China, they do a lot of trade with just about every country.
They are 3rd country status,do they have to jump through the same hoops as the UK.
Under this new EU regime if I take my dog to Scotland for a day trip I will have to get him an anti Rabies vaccination to get him back into N.I., also he may have to be quarantined for 3 weeks in case he has a disease which doesn't exist in the UK.
Can anyone explain what that is all about.